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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Professor Moriarty

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

Which is about 25 deaths.

Hearty80

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

Absolutely that's why I said she shouldn't go back to work if her health is very bad.

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

Indeed and Simon Harris has stated himself that that figure is too high and needs to comedown. Also the fact is that positive cases in this country are in reality much higher than the official figures but are not being caught because of lack of sufficient testing to date.

GazzaL

easypazz wrote: »

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

To be fair, in the real world it's perfectly ok to say that easing the restrictions is needed. Everyone's saying it. It's only on Boards where there's some loopers who shout it down at every opportunity.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Exactly - so the article is 0.4% mortlaity rate based on the actions to date.

Its not 0.4% if we had done nothing.

You guys seem to miss this point altogether.

Once again you show yourself up.

I won't bother explaining it to you since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

I'm actually very relaxed at home thank you very much. But a dog with a mallet up his arse could understand that its unsustainable to keep everything closed indefinitely.
There's obviously a pandemic that is very much under control in Ireland.
So in another 3 weeks not tomorrow it's time to go back to work.
I have a daughter who has worked full time through all of this in a bank, her boyfriend who she lives with is a gp trainee who works full time in a hospital. So I'm very aware of the health risks to the elderly and unwell. But the economy is a major concern also and there wont be any money to pay anything soon if the economy doesnt resume.

I have an issue with the word indefinitely that keeps popping up in people's posts.
Who said the lock down should last forever?
The pandemic is nowhere near under control in Ireland, we are reporting 700 + new cases everyday

drunkmonkey

Most of Germanys cases happened in the youth coming back from holidays hence the low rate, they also have the capacity to test 100,000 a day, there not going to do that though I think, testing is for the very sick.

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

now, that is stupid
who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
stay at home and relax

I'm actually very relaxed at home thank you very much. But a dog with a mallet up his arse could understand that its unsustainable to keep everything closed indefinitely.
There's obviously a pandemic that is very much under control in Ireland.
So in another 3 weeks not tomorrow it's time to go back to work.
I have a daughter who has worked full time through all of this in a bank, her boyfriend who she lives with is a gp trainee who works full time in a hospital. So I'm very aware of the health risks to the elderly and unwell. But the economy is a major concern also and there wont be any money to pay anything soon if the economy doesnt resume.

lord quackinton

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

This will sound arrogant but when then the government decided to lockdown my employer asked me to explain to other non financial employees the likely economic fallout of what is coming
I refused point blank For 2 reasons
1. Most would not understand it and
2. Those that could grasp it did not deserve to be frightened by what the future holds

The lockdowners on here don’t truly understand what awaits them
One insurance broker told me he is jacking it in
This man has 10 employees and has not told then yet because they are his friends as well as employees

What is coming is very scary

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

You said that restaurants will open in some capacity - you didn't say sit in, you never give exact details, you always are vague in your replies.

Surely you can figure out for yourself I am referring to the sit down option, maybe 30% or 50% capacity etc.

Are you genuinely that stupid?

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

He never mentioned restrictions. But I doubt you will get since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

Exactly - so the article is 0.4% mortlaity rate based on the actions to date.

Its not 0.4% if we had done nothing.

You guys seem to miss this point altogether.

Mic 1972

Ace2007 wrote: »

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?

Mortality rate is nowhere near 0.4%, another attempt at sugarcoating reality to make phase 2 (reopening society) less scary

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

Delivery, delivery, delivery.

None of us denying that takeaways are available.

We could always get takeaways.

We don't need examples, we use them ourselves.

You said that restaurants will open in some capacity - you didn't say sit in, you never give exact details, you always are vague in your replies.

Ace2007

Mic 1972 wrote: »

and yet young and healthy people end up in ICU every day

Ah but easypazz doesnt' care, because the healtcare workers will keep them alive.

Dont' you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?

He never mentioned restrictions. But I doubt you will get since you don't understand the difference between a bar and an off licence.

Ace2007

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

I gave you an example of bar open the last day that you can ring up and they deliver.

There are loads of restaurants doing click and collect or delivery - likewise walk in coffee shops.

Liath a Michelin star restaurant in Blackrock is doing delivers for instance.

Your head is so far in the sand that you don't want to believe this - or else people in your small town don't want to think outside the box and look for ways to keep on going during these times.

People are working in these industries that you claim will open in some capacity in the June/July - that's like me saying that dentists will be open in some capacity in July (when they are already open now)

Delivery, delivery, delivery.

None of us denying that takeaways are available.

We could always get takeaways.

We don't need examples, we use them ourselves.

Cork Boy 53

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

Do you ever get tired of continually posting this bull****?

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

and yet young and healthy people end up in ICU every day

easypazz

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

There are no bars or restaurants open at the moment.

Only off licences and take aways.

I don't know why you keep peddling this nonsense.

I gave you an example of bar open the last day that you can ring up and they deliver.

There are loads of restaurants doing click and collect or delivery - likewise walk in coffee shops.

Liath a Michelin star restaurant in Blackrock is doing delivers for instance.

Your head is so far in the sand that you don't want to believe this - or else people in your small town don't want to think outside the box and look for ways to keep on going during these times.

People are working in these industries that you claim will open in some capacity in the June/July - that's like me saying that dentists will be open in some capacity in July (when they are already open now)

facehugger99

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

lord quackinton

HBC08 wrote: »

"Those who die,will die"

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

That’s some bad news to be getting
But I don’t mean this in a harsh way but
Everyone has personal hard stories they could tell and could use them to attack another poster who was only stating what is the truth - we don’t open soon our economy will be destroyed and there will be little taxes to pay for those who will be left depending on welfare including those with disability

Those enduring hardship Now Will real know real hardship when they are signing on Jobseekers And the state who made them unemployed turn on them like 2008 and the years that followed

helimachoptor

For what it's worth, I was in the local coffee shop (South county Dublin), there's a pub across the road.

The pub owner was speaking with the owner of the coffee shop, he said 'he's been told: phased opening of pubs from 2nd weekend in May but not full/normal occupancy til weekend after June Bank Holiday.
He was complaining that once he's open again he's to pay full rates etc even if he only permitted to have 10% and he was arguing for rates should match the step up % in customers allowed in.

I wasn't involved in the conversation, just listening in.

[Deleted User]

lastusername wrote: »

Heard there was one in Darndale but that was just before the lockdown I'm pretty sure.

It was a Whatsapp message so not too sure how to link it. It could very well have been from before the lockdown but nothing would surprise me.

Cork Boy 53

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?

Maybe to know for sure there was one and that it took place after the restrictions were imposed. Did you consider that before your smartass reply?

lastusername

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

Heard there was one in Darndale but that was just before the lockdown I'm pretty sure.

martingriff

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

easypazz wrote: »

They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

Ya because those at home are just delighted that they have to be stuck at home all day everyday only ever allowed out to get to the shop and some exercise. :rolleyes:.

I say 99.9% would only be delighted to be able to go back to work earn a wage and meet people.

Just maybe they want restrictions eased asap but not at the expense of peoples health and the overwhelming of the health system

But no to ye they just want to ruin the economy and keep sitting a home

Also easypass you are living in dreamland if you think pubs will be open by June. Pubs by September at the earliest (and I am been extremely optimistic) air travel unless you add on 28 day quarantine (14 each way) next year

Mic 1972

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?

maybe to validate the source?

timmy_mallet

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?