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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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easypazz

HBC08 wrote: »

"Those who die,will die"

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

People are going to die no matter what way we exit this.

I am stating the obvious, people need to accept that there is no magic bullet here.

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

Plenty from what i can see. Maybe not deliberately but their "lockdown foreva" rhetoric amounts to the same thing.

Lock down is not foreva mate, it's for as long as it takes to make work/social life safe again.

We are reporting 700 plus new cases everyday, we are at the peak of the infection no matter how much sugarcoat

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anyone seen the video of the street party that went on in a Dublin suburb recently? Not sure if it was legit or not but disgraceful behaviour if it was.

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

lord quackinton

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

Trump suggests closing the Mexican border he is a racist
The woke New Zealand leader does it and no one bats an eye
She will pay for that decision - it will be Remembered rightly as being truly xenophobic

CoronaBlocker

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

Ok, thank you. Difficult Sunday afternoon ahead for me so. The boss won't like the hard questions coming in!

HBC08

easypazz wrote: »

This is why the lockdown must be unwound through May, its tough and its cruel but those who die, will die.

It could be any one of us or members of our families.

Otherwise the long term consequences are grim for us all anyway.

Keep some measures as required to keep the ICU beds under control, but we have to face up to reality here.

"Those who die,will die"

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

I run a side business that depends entirely on tourism and its now gone after 6 hard years building it up from scratch.

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

timmy_mallet

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

The onoy essential service is healthcare, if you're not growing food in your back garden, field, allotment etc, you're not doing your part. Are you doing your part?

road_high

Only one places open are just doing take away and quite limited too. And are in the minority

Cork Boy 53

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I have no idea about sanitizer being there or not but in what we do, social distancing is virtually impossible. Everyone is always right on each others' shoulders.

I'm really not comfortable to be honest. Weeks hunkered down at home and then this out of the blue this morning. Feels like it's just undermining everything going on.

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to be put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

timmy_mallet

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The New Zealend approach seems to have worked, they closed their borders (we didn't ) and this combined with social distancing etc has got the numbers down to levels where they are looking into easing some of the ristrictions.

Should have closed the borders to those returning from Cheltenham and associate race horse industry travellers, outrageous lack of respect.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

But that all very vague

There are bars, restaurats and coffee shops open these days - the owners have thought outside the box, and got them open.

So to say come June they will open in some capacity - is stating the obvious when they already are working at some capacity.

You about about Harris saying xyz but fail to mention that he also said there would have to be a reduction in new cases/deaths before restrictions lifted - which you fail to comprehend.

There are no bars or restaurants open at the moment.

Only off licences and take aways.

I don't know why you keep peddling this nonsense.

Tenzor07

The Covid testing backlog has been cleared in Ireland now, which means they can ensure all medical and care staff can receive rapid testing and allow them to staff nursing/care homes and hospitals more effectively.

This is number one before people think about their favorite cafe, hairdressers or hardware shop reopening.

A full re-opening of businesses which support the supply chain is needed, transport/shipping, warehousing and manufacturing.

The irish government have to stop treating us like kids and reveal a timeline of action for rebooting the economy and allow employers to make solid plans to allow workers to return to offices and factories safely.

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But its not .

We have to start dealing in facts now, not what ifs. It's gone on so long we can longer afford the caution at all costs approach and must start making calculated risks.

niallo27

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

My health* vs my work.

*and everyone else's too.

It's up to yourself really, stay off if you feel you have to.

road_high

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

My health* vs my work.

*and everyone else's too.

I suppose it comes down to the physical practicalities of your workplace? I gather it's some kind of printing press/printers with an office set up- I would have thought reasonably easy to social distance in with hygiene measures?

iamwhoiam

Ace2007 wrote: »

If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

I feel like their outlook would be very different.

But its not .

[Deleted User]

Has anyone seen the video of the street party that went on in a Dublin suburb recently? Not sure if it was legit or not but disgraceful behaviour if it was.

niallo27

Ace2007 wrote: »

If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

I feel like their outlook would be very different.

But it hasnt, it affects the elderly in the majority and nobody is asking these people to go back to work

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

now, that is stupid
who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
stay at home and relax

Plenty from what i can see. Maybe not deliberately but their "lockdown foreva" rhetoric amounts to the same thing.

CoronaBlocker

road_high wrote: »

Perhaps not but some people are pragmatic in a business sense and realise if they don't get back to some work there won't be any work or business left to go back to ever.
This rigid union type mindset displayed in this post won't pay the bills.

This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

My health* vs my work.

*and everyone else's too.

Ace2007

Mic 1972 wrote: »

now, that is stupid
who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
stay at home and relax

If the morality/morbidity rate was high for kids, i wonder would Hearty have the same out look - lets get the kids back in school and see what happens...

I feel like their outlook would be very different.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

My ass, people who want to cripple our economy.....
Selfish and stupid

now, that is stupid
who in their right mind want o cripple their own economy?
you seem to deny there is a pandemic at the moment, people have health concerns about themselves and their families
stay at home and relax

CoronaBlocker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Theres alot of other things to take into account though as well.
The employer has to have social distancing measures in place, hand sanitizer etc

I have no idea about sanitizer being there or not but in what we do, social distancing is virtually impossible. Everyone is always right on each others' shoulders.

I'm really not comfortable to be honest. Weeks hunkered down at home and then this out of the blue this morning. Feels like it's just undermining everything going on.

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non-essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.

Perhaps not but some people are pragmatic in a business sense and realise if they don't get back to some work there won't be any work or business left to go back to ever.
This rigid union type mindset displayed in this post won't pay the bills.

gnf_ireland

oceanman wrote: »

these type of loans never get paid back, we simply just pay the interest on the the loan, and if we lock in the low interest rate we have at the moment its nearly free money.

Hmm your version of free money and mine must be very different.

Even in these times of unprecedently levels of low interest rates (which will not last for ever), we are paying 5 billion a year servicing our national debt, which currently stands at 237bn euro.

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/debt/2020/

And to put into perspective, the Agricultural budget is 1.6bn, Transport is 2.7bn, Justice is 3bn and the total Higher Education budget is 1.74bn.

This money is not free, or anything like it. It currently constitutes 6% of everything our government spends. It is not insignificant and will rise when interest rates do..

stephenjmcd

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ok, that's good information, thank you.

Theres alot of other things to take into account though as well.
The employer has to have social distancing measures in place, hand sanitizer etc

_Kaiser_

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I appreciate your view, thank you. I think I will do that to at least cover myself.

Yep. My own employer is deemed essential so the HR department issued personalised letters to everyone stating this, with our home and office addresses, and signed by the CEO.

Get your employer to email you something similar that you can present at checkpoints if asked

CoronaBlocker

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non- essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.

I would expect them to be one-off signs for local farms and maybe other small businesses. I can't imagine there will be many though - we're not a company that lands big contracts at all. Just a local crowd that produces small signage for other local businesses.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

But that all very vague

There are bars, restaurats and coffee shops open these days - the owners have thought outside the box, and got them open.

So to say come June they will open in some capacity - is stating the obvious when they already are working at some capacity.

You about about Harris saying xyz but fail to mention that he also said there would have to be a reduction in new cases/deaths before restrictions lifted - which you fail to comprehend.

CoronaBlocker

BanditLuke wrote: »

You are working in a non essential industry. Now unless the company is producing leaflets, billboards etc..for the HSE that's another story.

Nobody here can make a decision for you but if i was wearing your shoes i'd be contacting my employer for a letter.

I appreciate your view, thank you. I think I will do that to at least cover myself.