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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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road_high

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

My health* vs my work.

*and everyone else's too.

I suppose it comes down to the physical practicalities of your workplace? I gather it's some kind of printing press/printers with an office set up- I would have thought reasonably easy to social distance in with hygiene measures?

niallo27

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

This really is why I posed the question. It's the ethics vs economics question that I have yet to really see answered effectively. And now it's been left squarely on my doorstep.

My health* vs my work.

*and everyone else's too.

It's up to yourself really, stay off if you feel you have to.

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But its not .

We have to start dealing in facts now, not what ifs. It's gone on so long we can longer afford the caution at all costs approach and must start making calculated risks.

Tenzor07

The Covid testing backlog has been cleared in Ireland now, which means they can ensure all medical and care staff can receive rapid testing and allow them to staff nursing/care homes and hospitals more effectively.

This is number one before people think about their favorite cafe, hairdressers or hardware shop reopening.

A full re-opening of businesses which support the supply chain is needed, transport/shipping, warehousing and manufacturing.

The irish government have to stop treating us like kids and reveal a timeline of action for rebooting the economy and allow employers to make solid plans to allow workers to return to offices and factories safely.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

But that all very vague

There are bars, restaurats and coffee shops open these days - the owners have thought outside the box, and got them open.

So to say come June they will open in some capacity - is stating the obvious when they already are working at some capacity.

You about about Harris saying xyz but fail to mention that he also said there would have to be a reduction in new cases/deaths before restrictions lifted - which you fail to comprehend.

There are no bars or restaurants open at the moment.

Only off licences and take aways.

I don't know why you keep peddling this nonsense.

timmy_mallet

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The New Zealend approach seems to have worked, they closed their borders (we didn't ) and this combined with social distancing etc has got the numbers down to levels where they are looking into easing some of the ristrictions.

Should have closed the borders to those returning from Cheltenham and associate race horse industry travellers, outrageous lack of respect.

Cork Boy 53

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I have no idea about sanitizer being there or not but in what we do, social distancing is virtually impossible. Everyone is always right on each others' shoulders.

I'm really not comfortable to be honest. Weeks hunkered down at home and then this out of the blue this morning. Feels like it's just undermining everything going on.

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to be put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

road_high

Only one places open are just doing take away and quite limited too. And are in the minority

timmy_mallet

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

The onoy essential service is healthcare, if you're not growing food in your back garden, field, allotment etc, you're not doing your part. Are you doing your part?

HBC08

easypazz wrote: »

This is why the lockdown must be unwound through May, its tough and its cruel but those who die, will die.

It could be any one of us or members of our families.

Otherwise the long term consequences are grim for us all anyway.

Keep some measures as required to keep the ICU beds under control, but we have to face up to reality here.

"Those who die,will die"

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

I run a side business that depends entirely on tourism and its now gone after 6 hard years building it up from scratch.

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

CoronaBlocker

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

Ok, thank you. Difficult Sunday afternoon ahead for me so. The boss won't like the hard questions coming in!

lord quackinton

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which is why you need these issues to be answered before making a decision. Under the new regulations distancing measures have to put in place. Otherwise it`s not safe to be at work IMO.

Trump suggests closing the Mexican border he is a racist
The woke New Zealand leader does it and no one bats an eye
She will pay for that decision - it will be Remembered rightly as being truly xenophobic

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anyone seen the video of the street party that went on in a Dublin suburb recently? Not sure if it was legit or not but disgraceful behaviour if it was.

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

Plenty from what i can see. Maybe not deliberately but their "lockdown foreva" rhetoric amounts to the same thing.

Lock down is not foreva mate, it's for as long as it takes to make work/social life safe again.

We are reporting 700 plus new cases everyday, we are at the peak of the infection no matter how much sugarcoat

easypazz

HBC08 wrote: »

"Those who die,will die"

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

People are going to die no matter what way we exit this.

I am stating the obvious, people need to accept that there is no magic bullet here.

timmy_mallet

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?

Mic 1972

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?

maybe to validate the source?

martingriff

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

easypazz wrote: »

They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

Ya because those at home are just delighted that they have to be stuck at home all day everyday only ever allowed out to get to the shop and some exercise. :rolleyes:.

I say 99.9% would only be delighted to be able to go back to work earn a wage and meet people.

Just maybe they want restrictions eased asap but not at the expense of peoples health and the overwhelming of the health system

But no to ye they just want to ruin the economy and keep sitting a home

Also easypass you are living in dreamland if you think pubs will be open by June. Pubs by September at the earliest (and I am been extremely optimistic) air travel unless you add on 28 day quarantine (14 each way) next year

lastusername

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No I haven`t. Any chance of a link to the video?

Heard there was one in Darndale but that was just before the lockdown I'm pretty sure.

Cork Boy 53

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I mean, why would you need to see this, what additional info do you need? Are you looking to identify people? Measure their distance, get their reg plates?

Maybe to know for sure there was one and that it took place after the restrictions were imposed. Did you consider that before your smartass reply?

[Deleted User]

lastusername wrote: »

Heard there was one in Darndale but that was just before the lockdown I'm pretty sure.

It was a Whatsapp message so not too sure how to link it. It could very well have been from before the lockdown but nothing would surprise me.

helimachoptor

For what it's worth, I was in the local coffee shop (South county Dublin), there's a pub across the road.

The pub owner was speaking with the owner of the coffee shop, he said 'he's been told: phased opening of pubs from 2nd weekend in May but not full/normal occupancy til weekend after June Bank Holiday.
He was complaining that once he's open again he's to pay full rates etc even if he only permitted to have 10% and he was arguing for rates should match the step up % in customers allowed in.

I wasn't involved in the conversation, just listening in.

lord quackinton

HBC08 wrote: »

"Those who die,will die"

This is an exceptionally hard time for everyone.
My father was diagnosed with cancer at the start of March.My partner had a miscarriage a week later,we're both in our 40s and have no kids,that was our last chance.

I work as a carer with an lovely autistic lad whos routine is so disrupted by this that he is in constant meltdown,i work 24 hr shifts with him.

It absolutely sickens my hole that I have to share this country with people like you.

Everyone is enduring hardship at the moment and loads have it a lot worse than me.
Show some ****ing resilience for the greater good of your fellow Irish men and women.

That’s some bad news to be getting
But I don’t mean this in a harsh way but
Everyone has personal hard stories they could tell and could use them to attack another poster who was only stating what is the truth - we don’t open soon our economy will be destroyed and there will be little taxes to pay for those who will be left depending on welfare including those with disability

Those enduring hardship Now Will real know real hardship when they are signing on Jobseekers And the state who made them unemployed turn on them like 2008 and the years that followed

facehugger99

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

There are no bars or restaurants open at the moment.

Only off licences and take aways.

I don't know why you keep peddling this nonsense.

I gave you an example of bar open the last day that you can ring up and they deliver.

There are loads of restaurants doing click and collect or delivery - likewise walk in coffee shops.

Liath a Michelin star restaurant in Blackrock is doing delivers for instance.

Your head is so far in the sand that you don't want to believe this - or else people in your small town don't want to think outside the box and look for ways to keep on going during these times.

People are working in these industries that you claim will open in some capacity in the June/July - that's like me saying that dentists will be open in some capacity in July (when they are already open now)

easypazz

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

The harsh reality is that easing the lockdown will be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its just not politically correct to say it.

Just shield the old and vulnerable as best we can.

and yet young and healthy people end up in ICU every day

Cork Boy 53

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

Do you ever get tired of continually posting this bull****?

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

I gave you an example of bar open the last day that you can ring up and they deliver.

There are loads of restaurants doing click and collect or delivery - likewise walk in coffee shops.

Liath a Michelin star restaurant in Blackrock is doing delivers for instance.

Your head is so far in the sand that you don't want to believe this - or else people in your small town don't want to think outside the box and look for ways to keep on going during these times.

People are working in these industries that you claim will open in some capacity in the June/July - that's like me saying that dentists will be open in some capacity in July (when they are already open now)

Delivery, delivery, delivery.

None of us denying that takeaways are available.

We could always get takeaways.

We don't need examples, we use them ourselves.

Ace2007

facehugger99 wrote: »

So there now appears to be a body of research coming from Germany and elsewhere that the actual death rate of the virus is less than 0.4%. Given the demographic make up of those who are dying (in their 80's with underlying serious conditions), the lockdown is looking more and more like a catastrophically stupid response.

One can only hope that lockdown-morons who bayed for tighter and tighter restrictions will bear the brunt of the coming economic fallout.

Can you please clarify if the mortality rate is less than 0.4% because of the restrictions - given they have they them in Germany.

Or is it 0.4% without restrictions.

Given that you are sharing this information is suspect you will know the answer?