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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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gnf_ireland

Mic 1972 wrote: »

So your issue is with teachers getting full salary, that adds perspective
It sounds even more selfish if you ask me

Absolutely not. I have no issue with anyone getting paid while this is ongoing, whether from the private sector or public sector.

However, if anyone is getting paid there is an expectation that a level of effort towards their job is being done. This applies to any job - public or private sector. From my experience (and I have said it in a few previous posts) is the level of engagement from our school has been poor and differs greatly between teachers.

I think if this is going to continue until the summer, the engagement levels from the teachers has to increase (whether remote or not) and cannot continue to be radio-silence like what a large number of parents are experiencing

oceanman

road_high wrote: »

It worries me greatly. Not just the shortish term costs but the inevitable downturn that it’s caused which reduces tax revenues going forward coupled with increased welfare and health spending. We will be in the red for a very long time

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

gnf_ireland

oceanman wrote: »

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

oceanman

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

these type of loans never get paid back, we simply just pay the interest on the the loan, and if we lock in the low interest rate we have at the moment its nearly free money.

[Deleted User]

Stateofyou wrote: »

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here. I think you already know that teaching 16-30 children in a single room all day and touching/grading their work, all touching the same doors, breathing the same air in a small room, and with people who often have very little concept of personal hygeine (harder not to touch face, cough/sneeze into elbows, washing hands properly, etc) is very different to the environment of a worker in a supermarket.

You have to know this, and you've just decided to make a false comparison because it suits you.

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

Harry Palmr

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

Long term Bonds are being refinanced at about 0% at the moment, it's not something to worry about when you think about the economy.

Stateofyou

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Absolutely not. I have no issue with anyone getting paid while this is ongoing, whether from the private sector or public sector.

However, if anyone is getting paid there is an expectation that a level of effort towards their job is being done. This applies to any job - public or private sector. From my experience (and I have said it in a few previous posts) is the level of engagement from our school has been poor and differs greatly between teachers.

I think if this is going to continue until the summer, the engagement levels from the teachers has to increase (whether remote or not) and cannot continue to be radio-silence like what a large number of parents are experiencing

Completely agree. Comparing my kids school to the one my cousin's kids go to in California is unreal. Their school distributed rented tablets and internet cards to help pay for service. Teachers have (stripped down) virtual classrooms going and have even done individual short 5-10 minute tutorial videos for those struggling with a specific topic. One of the other teachers in their school have done tik Tok videos with the kids for a laugh! And my kids don't even get a "hello." FFS. It's the zero effort that bothers me.

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I think the FEAR is huge around this.

Glad to hear it is going well, adults tend to handle these things better then children and all teachers want is a good plan that will work with children, not just reopen doors, sort it out yourselves

Stateofyou

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

I think that word in bold is a key word. Glad to hear you're all doing great!

road_high

oceanman wrote: »

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

Government borrowing for day to day running is bad news. If it was to build tangible assets like a metro line I would agree. But it could be worse, at least we can borrow

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It is but they won't do it, can't have some of the country going back to normal and people from epicenters being discriminated against. Dublin is the big problem and we should treat it differently, it's the last place restrictions should be removed from.

I don't know how your going to get kids back, my 5yr old is here refusing to go for a walk up the mountain because the virus is outside in the air. All air is bad now according to him.

Who put that idea into a five-year-old's head?

The tactic of lying to the public and deliberately frightening them seems to have backfired. Too many people are now scared to come out from under the stairs

This morning I met a neighbour who told me that her 95-year-old uncle had survived catching the virus. And my wife, a nurse, tells me that all of the Covid19 patients that she has worked with have gone home. Why are we not hearing this?

Perhaps we'll now get a bombardment of positive messages from the government as they try to get things moving again. I just hope that they haven't over-egged the scary stuff.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

That was a deliberate tactic to get compliance from the populace. Honesty would have been better, in my opinion.

JoeA3

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I think the first to open should be hardware and gardening . If people had paint and garden compost etc it would keep many at home .The over 70 I know are all crying out to have paint and things to do . It could be done just like the supermarkets with controlled queues etc .
If Woodies were delivery paint this week they would make a fortune

Several hardware shops have already been open for deliveries and some even for visiting customers since early last week. However stocks are low. Their issue is getting fresh deliveries from the likes of Dulux.

GazzaL

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

growleaves

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

You forgot to mention Margaret Cash and her little angles 100k free gaff forveva homes

Del Griffith

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/lockdown-exit-uk-faces-segmenting-older-family-from-young-9zpgqwxsw

I reckon it will look something like this.

"Segmenting" aka phased infection and eventually herd immunity.

easypazz

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

_Kaiser_

Cupatae wrote: »

All the fluff outta the lift the lockdown brigade they want em lifted rapid as they are worried about the money but when put to the question on the issues around such a return to normality they have no answers just a load of fluff buzz word of the day they hide behind **hyperbolic**

Kasier seems to think his a psychologist, and expert on why people think how they think , then there's the legion of sheep behind him...

Boards is always good for a laugh.

I wasn't on this thread yesterday (my little fella kept me busy with games and chat) so I'm only seeing this now, but thanks for the call out.

I'm no psychologist (work in IT myself), but I can see that ignoring the wider picture and name-calling because you feel your opinions aren't being accepted as facts isn't going to win people over to your view either. It is however all to common these days unfortunately.

I have said all along that this crisis needs to be dealt with in a balanced way that protects the needs of those most at risk or vulnerable, as well as the different - but still just as important - needs of others.

Thankfully, as bad as this virus is (and it is, no one is denying that), the overwhelming majority of people will survive it - but yes, unfortunately some will die from it. That's the reality of the situation no matter what happens.

Ignoring that reality, or thinking that it won't happen if we just keep people locked in is as flawed as the notion that everything can go back to normal after the 5th of May (which I haven't seen anyone advocate incidentally).

So, given that the numbers are apparently now going the right way, it's time to move into the next phase of the response. Restarting the economy and more importantly, restoring people's rights to free(r) movement and their ability to work, interact with others (safely), and still protect and support those who are vulnerable.

This is an approach already underway elsewhere and which our Government and advisors have accepted and stated is indeed the next and best way forward at this point. It's the only sensible option.

Denying or disputing that is fine. Continuing to self isolate is fine. As I said before, everyone reacts differently to a crisis and there is nothing wrong with or about that. But there is more than individuals to consider here. There is a society and economy that (like it or not) are vital to us ALL recovering from this event.

But for the sake of clarity. Again, I'm not an expert in medicine, economics or psychology. I'm just another average poster on an Internet forum with an opinion so feel free to ignore the above as you wish.

Edgware

polesheep wrote: »

That was a deliberate tactic to get compliance from the populace. Honesty would have been better, in my opinion.

Honesty really worked in that pub in Finglas. Scare the **** out of people is always a good way to get attention.

easypazz

This day 2 weeks this thread will be buzzing as we are counting down to the end of the lockdown.

niallo27

easypazz wrote: »

This day 2 weeks this thread will be buzzing as we are counting down to the end of the lockdown.

Hopefully hopefully, but also lets hope we are happy because the number of deaths has dropped drastically as well.

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

Surprise Surprise a teacher who doesn't want to go to work.......
What about supermarket workers health care assistants, hospital porters, poundshop employees. All meeting the most at risk everyday.
Take your head out of your posterior and go back to work. The economy needs schools and creches to reopen, it can't sustain you sitting at home being fully paid indefinitely.

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

In that quote I said I would work as I have ppe

Stateofyou

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

Jesus. So much contempt for your fellow countrymen and women trying to get by and support their family's. WTAF.

lastusername

Edgware wrote: »

Honesty really worked in that pub in Finglas. Scare the **** out of people is always a good way to get attention.

What happened there?

GazzaL

Stateofyou wrote: »

Jesus. So much contempt for your fellow countrymen and women trying to get by and support their family's. WTAF.

Contempt? Like the vast majority of people, I want people to be able to see their family and friends again, and return to work to provide for their families before even more jobs are permanently lost. My post was directed at the clowns that would have everyone locked up indefinitely.

lastusername

I think over the course of May and into June and July, cafes and restaurants are going to start opening up with social distancing and outdoor areas in these places will be in high demand as people start to queue outside those instead of outside shops!

Really and truly, I was walking through Ranelagh village yesterday lunchtime on what should have been a buzzing Saturday afternoon in such a nice spot, and it was really sad to see everything closed up with signs on the doors and windows. We can't live in fear and people will need to get out and about again.

You may have already have the virus (with or without actually knowing!), in which case you MIGHT have some immunity to it and feel comfortable to get out and about, but even if you haven't, at some stage you know you have to live your life!

My guess is there may be a "two-tier society" for a while - one group who are just getting out and about and travelling as much as the regulations allow, and others who are still just fearful.

None of us is going to live forever, life is short and you gotta make the most of it, so I for one will be most definitely be in the former group above!!

GaryByrne

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Eminently sensible suggestion. Logistics seem good. Maybe a concern for the teacher's health?

I'm guessing the 1 day a week suggestion is to see if anyone developes symptoms and it can be caught in time for the next weeks class opening up?

[Deleted User]

khalessi wrote: »

In that quote I said I would work as I have ppe

Yep I know but completely understand that your concerns are higher. I've got a chronic condition and I'd be somewhat apprehensive about working in a normal office setting, let alone a school. I hope an effective plan of action is thought of.

CoronaBlocker

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.