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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Cork Boy 53

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

I`m not sure what you mean by covid related jobs. Anyway, if as you state yourself, you are employed in a non-essential service I don`t see how you can be obliged to go back to work tomorrow. Will there be distancing measures put in place, hand sanitizers, masks etc. provided? What about canteen regulations assuming there is one in your workplace? These are issues that need answering before making a decision on whether to go back or not.

CoronaBlocker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Print production is covered as an essential service if needed

Look at manufacturing and information and communications. Have a family member in the same sort of industry, they work maybe 2 days a week at the moment just doing anything that's covid related, an post stuff etc, have a letter from the employer to get you through any checkpoints. Employer just has to state on the letter the industry and your function to said work

Ok, that's good information, thank you.

BanditLuke

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Does the employer need approval himself to write such a letter? And are there penalties if he gives me a letter even though it is essentially, non-essential work? Just because he writes a letter it doesn't make it valid, no?

Is that my way forward though? To ask my employer for a letter stating the purpose of my journey?

You are working in a non essential industry. Now unless the company is producing leaflets, billboards etc..for the HSE that's another story.

Nobody here can make a decision for you but if i was wearing your shoes i'd be contacting my employer for a letter.

stephenjmcd

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

Print production is covered as an essential service if needed
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#information-and-communications

Look at manufacturing and information and communications. Have a family member in the same sort of industry, they work maybe 2 days a week at the moment just doing anything that's covid related, an post stuff etc, have a letter from the employer to get you through any checkpoints. Employer just has to state on the letter the industry and your function to said work

scamalert

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

its deemed essential, places havent stopped printing since the start of this- the printing and reproduction of newspapers and other media services - from gov.ie website.

CoronaBlocker

GazzaL wrote: »

You're very quick to make judgements without knowing anything about the "covid related jobs".

I think in reality, the "covid related jobs" would be a few signs for a local farm or similar. We likely haven't won a contract with the HSE. Does significance/exposure of the work play a part in the ethics here, would you think?

niallo27

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?

Course it is, dont listen to that bull****.

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid.

How do you know?

The poster even said "covid related jobs"

You really couldn't be more negative.

CoronaBlocker

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

Does the employer need approval himself to write such a letter? And are there penalties if he gives me a letter even though it is essentially, non-essential work? Just because he writes a letter it doesn't make it valid, no?

Is that my way forward though? To ask my employer for a letter stating the purpose of my journey?

GazzaL

lastusername wrote: »

Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

You're very quick to make judgements without knowing anything about the "covid related jobs".

BanditLuke

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?

If it's all above board your employer has nothing to worry about.

BanditLuke

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

Not essential work im afraid. Unless your employer can provide you with a letter stating such to produce to the Gardai at any roadblocks i'd thread carefully.

CoronaBlocker

lastusername wrote: »

Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!

Is that not essentially shopping my employer though?

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Surprise surprise, parents who are sick of minding their own kids at home while there is a world wide emergency right now
Very selfish

My ass, people who want to cripple our economy.....
Selfish and stupid

lastusername

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

Phone call to your local garda station should clear that up....not seeing how print-production is essential unless it to keep the newspapers going or something!

CoronaBlocker

Folks, I've absolutely adored reading these threads through the last few weeks.
All of your contributions have educated, enlivened and entertained me through long days at home here where I am. Thank you one and all.

I'm a non-essential worker (print-production) on the wage subsidy scheme and have been home since late March, like many others - but I have just received a text from my employer saying that we are to resume work tomorrow morning.
Back in the office at 9 for a few "covid related jobs".

Now I'd dearly love to get back to work - but are we actually allowed to? I'm still not actually certain if our lockdown is purely based on compliance or actual enforcement. If 10 of us all plod back into the office in the morning and then all shoot off home for tea in the evening are we not undermining all the efforts of the whole population to date? Sure what's the difference between that and me heading off down to my (imaginary) holiday home in Mayo?

Is my employer right to open up the business again? Or is he being sneaky here? Might small business owners have been sent discreet word to re-open? I'm on 70% pay courtesy of other tax-payers and would like to start contributing again of course but this feels like an ethical question now, because to my knowledge, Simon Harris has not declared safety yet.

I would really appreciate some opinions on this as I'm genuinely troubled over what I should do.

[Deleted User]

khalessi wrote: »

In that quote I said I would work as I have ppe

Yep I know but completely understand that your concerns are higher. I've got a chronic condition and I'd be somewhat apprehensive about working in a normal office setting, let alone a school. I hope an effective plan of action is thought of.

GaryByrne

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Eminently sensible suggestion. Logistics seem good. Maybe a concern for the teacher's health?

I'm guessing the 1 day a week suggestion is to see if anyone developes symptoms and it can be caught in time for the next weeks class opening up?

lastusername

I think over the course of May and into June and July, cafes and restaurants are going to start opening up with social distancing and outdoor areas in these places will be in high demand as people start to queue outside those instead of outside shops!

Really and truly, I was walking through Ranelagh village yesterday lunchtime on what should have been a buzzing Saturday afternoon in such a nice spot, and it was really sad to see everything closed up with signs on the doors and windows. We can't live in fear and people will need to get out and about again.

You may have already have the virus (with or without actually knowing!), in which case you MIGHT have some immunity to it and feel comfortable to get out and about, but even if you haven't, at some stage you know you have to live your life!

My guess is there may be a "two-tier society" for a while - one group who are just getting out and about and travelling as much as the regulations allow, and others who are still just fearful.

None of us is going to live forever, life is short and you gotta make the most of it, so I for one will be most definitely be in the former group above!!

GazzaL

Stateofyou wrote: »

Jesus. So much contempt for your fellow countrymen and women trying to get by and support their family's. WTAF.

Contempt? Like the vast majority of people, I want people to be able to see their family and friends again, and return to work to provide for their families before even more jobs are permanently lost. My post was directed at the clowns that would have everyone locked up indefinitely.

lastusername

Edgware wrote: »

Honesty really worked in that pub in Finglas. Scare the **** out of people is always a good way to get attention.

What happened there?

Stateofyou

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

Jesus. So much contempt for your fellow countrymen and women trying to get by and support their family's. WTAF.

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

In that quote I said I would work as I have ppe

[Deleted User]

Hearty80 wrote: »

Surprise Surprise a teacher who doesn't want to go to work.......
What about supermarket workers health care assistants, hospital porters, poundshop employees. All meeting the most at risk everyday.
Take your head out of your posterior and go back to work. The economy needs schools and creches to reopen, it can't sustain you sitting at home being fully paid indefinitely.

If a person has a high risk condition, it's understandable that they are way more apprehensive about going back to work.

niallo27

easypazz wrote: »

This day 2 weeks this thread will be buzzing as we are counting down to the end of the lockdown.

Hopefully hopefully, but also lets hope we are happy because the number of deaths has dropped drastically as well.

easypazz

This day 2 weeks this thread will be buzzing as we are counting down to the end of the lockdown.

Edgware

polesheep wrote: »

That was a deliberate tactic to get compliance from the populace. Honesty would have been better, in my opinion.

Honesty really worked in that pub in Finglas. Scare the **** out of people is always a good way to get attention.

_Kaiser_

Cupatae wrote: »

All the fluff outta the lift the lockdown brigade they want em lifted rapid as they are worried about the money but when put to the question on the issues around such a return to normality they have no answers just a load of fluff buzz word of the day they hide behind **hyperbolic**

Kasier seems to think his a psychologist, and expert on why people think how they think , then there's the legion of sheep behind him...

Boards is always good for a laugh.

I wasn't on this thread yesterday (my little fella kept me busy with games and chat) so I'm only seeing this now, but thanks for the call out.

I'm no psychologist (work in IT myself), but I can see that ignoring the wider picture and name-calling because you feel your opinions aren't being accepted as facts isn't going to win people over to your view either. It is however all to common these days unfortunately.

I have said all along that this crisis needs to be dealt with in a balanced way that protects the needs of those most at risk or vulnerable, as well as the different - but still just as important - needs of others.

Thankfully, as bad as this virus is (and it is, no one is denying that), the overwhelming majority of people will survive it - but yes, unfortunately some will die from it. That's the reality of the situation no matter what happens.

Ignoring that reality, or thinking that it won't happen if we just keep people locked in is as flawed as the notion that everything can go back to normal after the 5th of May (which I haven't seen anyone advocate incidentally).

So, given that the numbers are apparently now going the right way, it's time to move into the next phase of the response. Restarting the economy and more importantly, restoring people's rights to free(r) movement and their ability to work, interact with others (safely), and still protect and support those who are vulnerable.

This is an approach already underway elsewhere and which our Government and advisors have accepted and stated is indeed the next and best way forward at this point. It's the only sensible option.

Denying or disputing that is fine. Continuing to self isolate is fine. As I said before, everyone reacts differently to a crisis and there is nothing wrong with or about that. But there is more than individuals to consider here. There is a society and economy that (like it or not) are vital to us ALL recovering from this event.

But for the sake of clarity. Again, I'm not an expert in medicine, economics or psychology. I'm just another average poster on an Internet forum with an opinion so feel free to ignore the above as you wish.

easypazz

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

They will open a lot on May 5th, then by middle of June hair salons, bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc. will open in some capacity and €350 will be snip snip snip.

Del Griffith

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/lockdown-exit-uk-faces-segmenting-older-family-from-young-9zpgqwxsw

I reckon it will look something like this.

"Segmenting" aka phased infection and eventually herd immunity.