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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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growleaves

GazzaL wrote: »

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

You forgot to mention Margaret Cash and her little angles 100k free gaff forveva homes

GazzaL

The masks are slipping and the salty tears are flowing since the Government and HSE started talking about easing restrictions. Your €350 a week payments to gorge on takeaways and guzzle cans from the offie will be drying up soon enough.

JoeA3

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I think the first to open should be hardware and gardening . If people had paint and garden compost etc it would keep many at home .The over 70 I know are all crying out to have paint and things to do . It could be done just like the supermarkets with controlled queues etc .
If Woodies were delivery paint this week they would make a fortune

Several hardware shops have already been open for deliveries and some even for visiting customers since early last week. However stocks are low. Their issue is getting fresh deliveries from the likes of Dulux.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

That was a deliberate tactic to get compliance from the populace. Honesty would have been better, in my opinion.

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It is but they won't do it, can't have some of the country going back to normal and people from epicenters being discriminated against. Dublin is the big problem and we should treat it differently, it's the last place restrictions should be removed from.

I don't know how your going to get kids back, my 5yr old is here refusing to go for a walk up the mountain because the virus is outside in the air. All air is bad now according to him.

Who put that idea into a five-year-old's head?

The tactic of lying to the public and deliberately frightening them seems to have backfired. Too many people are now scared to come out from under the stairs

This morning I met a neighbour who told me that her 95-year-old uncle had survived catching the virus. And my wife, a nurse, tells me that all of the Covid19 patients that she has worked with have gone home. Why are we not hearing this?

Perhaps we'll now get a bombardment of positive messages from the government as they try to get things moving again. I just hope that they haven't over-egged the scary stuff.

road_high

oceanman wrote: »

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

Government borrowing for day to day running is bad news. If it was to build tangible assets like a metro line I would agree. But it could be worse, at least we can borrow

Stateofyou

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

I think that word in bold is a key word. Glad to hear you're all doing great!

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I think the FEAR is huge around this.

Glad to hear it is going well, adults tend to handle these things better then children and all teachers want is a good plan that will work with children, not just reopen doors, sort it out yourselves

Stateofyou

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Absolutely not. I have no issue with anyone getting paid while this is ongoing, whether from the private sector or public sector.

However, if anyone is getting paid there is an expectation that a level of effort towards their job is being done. This applies to any job - public or private sector. From my experience (and I have said it in a few previous posts) is the level of engagement from our school has been poor and differs greatly between teachers.

I think if this is going to continue until the summer, the engagement levels from the teachers has to increase (whether remote or not) and cannot continue to be radio-silence like what a large number of parents are experiencing

Completely agree. Comparing my kids school to the one my cousin's kids go to in California is unreal. Their school distributed rented tablets and internet cards to help pay for service. Teachers have (stripped down) virtual classrooms going and have even done individual short 5-10 minute tutorial videos for those struggling with a specific topic. One of the other teachers in their school have done tik Tok videos with the kids for a laugh! And my kids don't even get a "hello." FFS. It's the zero effort that bothers me.

Harry Palmr

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

Long term Bonds are being refinanced at about 0% at the moment, it's not something to worry about when you think about the economy.

[Deleted User]

Stateofyou wrote: »

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here. I think you already know that teaching 16-30 children in a single room all day and touching/grading their work, all touching the same doors, breathing the same air in a small room, and with people who often have very little concept of personal hygeine (harder not to touch face, cough/sneeze into elbows, washing hands properly, etc) is very different to the environment of a worker in a supermarket.

You have to know this, and you've just decided to make a false comparison because it suits you.

I work in the civil service and have worked throughout these restrictions (Essential Services). We are working with up to 15/20 adults in the same room, breathing the same air, touching the same doors, handling the same plastic pouches of documents etc. Our desks are further apart. Nobody has got sick.

I will say we were nervous at the beginning , and the nervousness is a BIG part of this. After a week we all just got on with our jobs. We do not have plastic spit screens, we don’t wear gloves or masks, we have hand sanitizer but it is very hard to socially distance all the time.

I’m happy to be still going in to a workplace. I am 59. I think the FEAR is huge around this. But life has to go on.

oceanman

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

these type of loans never get paid back, we simply just pay the interest on the the loan, and if we lock in the low interest rate we have at the moment its nearly free money.

gnf_ireland

oceanman wrote: »

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

Interest rates will rise and borrowings have to be paid back.

Did people learn nothing from the Celtic Tiger borrowing culture?

oceanman

road_high wrote: »

It worries me greatly. Not just the shortish term costs but the inevitable downturn that it’s caused which reduces tax revenues going forward coupled with increased welfare and health spending. We will be in the red for a very long time

the government will just borrow what money is needed, there has in fact never been a better time to borrow than now with interest rates so low. its not all bad news.

gnf_ireland

Mic 1972 wrote: »

So your issue is with teachers getting full salary, that adds perspective
It sounds even more selfish if you ask me

Absolutely not. I have no issue with anyone getting paid while this is ongoing, whether from the private sector or public sector.

However, if anyone is getting paid there is an expectation that a level of effort towards their job is being done. This applies to any job - public or private sector. From my experience (and I have said it in a few previous posts) is the level of engagement from our school has been poor and differs greatly between teachers.

I think if this is going to continue until the summer, the engagement levels from the teachers has to increase (whether remote or not) and cannot continue to be radio-silence like what a large number of parents are experiencing

gnf_ireland

Stateofyou wrote: »

I am also surprised by the lack of engagement from my kids teacher. I am trying to be understanding, and some are parents themselves and so are dealing with a lot on their plate too. But I did expect some level of communication from the teacher, maybe a maths lesson video/tutorial, a "hello" message, an email setup with the parents perhaps, an offer to help any who want some additional support if they're struggling... etc. There's been radio silence ever since school let out. Only hear from the principle, who even sent the voluntary homework plan out, it wasn't the teacher.

All I wanted was the "hello" session !! And say keep up the good work

Yes, some teachers are parents too, but some parents also work full time and have to juggle responsibilities. It comes with being paid while this goes on - there is a level of expectation that if you are getting paid (while so many are not), there is a reasonable effort put it.

Despite what teachers think, most parents are not unreasonable. The problem tends to be the ones they deal with most are the ones who are.

Mic 1972

gnf_ireland wrote: »

The only thing on the internet to match the contempt of teachers getting a full salary while not in school is the contempt shown by some towards parents...

So your issue is with teachers getting full salary, that adds perspective
It sounds even more selfish if you ask me

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Schools are a place of learning but it cannot be denied that many parents work while the children are in school .This is the world over and always has been .I worked night shifts all my working life and worked it around when the kids were in school to get some sleep . The school time table is vital for many working parents and always wil be

Someone has to work to raise the taxes to pay teachers salaries. Everything has a symbiotic relationship and schools are part of the economy. It’s very hard to isolate elements of it

gnf_ireland

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Surprise surprise, parents who are sick of minding their own kids at home while there is a world wide emergency right now
Very selfish

The only thing on the internet to match the contempt of teachers getting a full salary while not in school is the contempt shown by some towards parents...

khalessi

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You are absolutely right, some people are selfish here but in reality restrictions can't be lifted in the middle of the pandemic unless safety measures are put in place

All I am asking is for a safe environment for the children for me, my colleagues and my children in their school. I was asked about safety for bus drivers and cashiers, they are entitled to safety like everyone in a pandemic and got spit screens. Everyone should be entitled to safety in a pandemic.

There are people here going on about crowded buses on way to work and no one slagging them off for their concerns, my concerns are that the government will come up with a half assed plan to satify public, rather then something safe for everyone.

Stateofyou

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Firstly you are assuming both teachers and students have access to online facilities !

Yes, it might make a difference. Personally I was not expecting schools to open this academic year, although I did hope for 2 weeks to cushion the shock that will no doubt exist in September.
But I was hoping that teachers, especially those in primary, could have done a little more. An offer for a 5 minute Zoom call twice a week to give some 1-1 feedback, ask them how they were getting on etc would make a massive different to the children. A bit of encouragement to keep up the lessons, tell them how well they are doing and areas they know they could do a bit better with would maintain that engagement level with the school.

We have had very different experiences between the two teachers in our school. One sent through a worksheet on Monday for the week and no communication after that. The other sent through daily worksheets, had google classroom set up to take homework in, and responds within 20 minutes each time. The difference it has made to student engagement is massive.

I am also surprised by the lack of engagement from my kids teacher. I am trying to be understanding, and some are parents themselves and so are dealing with a lot on their plate too. But I did expect some level of communication from the teacher, maybe a maths lesson video/tutorial, a "hello" message, an email setup with the parents perhaps, an offer to help any who want some additional support if they're struggling... etc. There's been radio silence ever since school let out. Only hear from the principle, who even sent the voluntary homework plan out, it wasn't the teacher.

gnf_ireland

khalessi wrote: »

How will that help? Most children of teachers dont go to the school their parents teach in and if they do they are already accommodated in school numbers

I would have to disagree on the most children dont go to the schools their parents teach in. In our school, all the teachers children go to the school as its impossible for school drop offs otherwise. Same with my sisters kids (she is a teacher) and all of her friends.

wrestlemaniac

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Schools are a place of learning but it cannot be denied that many parents work while the children are in school .This is the world over and always has been .I worked night shifts all my working life and worked it around when the kids were in school to get some sleep . The school time table is vital for many working parents and always wil be

Never denied that parents work while in school, I do myself. My issue is with the attitude of the poster who clearly sees it as fundamentally childcare. I see it as a learning environment.

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Schools are a place of learning but it cannot be denied that many parents work while the children are in school .This is the world over and always has been .I worked night shifts all my working life and worked it around when the kids were in school to get some sleep . The school time table is vital for many working parents and always wil be

Someone has to work to raise the taxes to pay teachers salaries. Everything has a symbiotic relationship and schools are part of the economy. It’s very hard to isolate elements of it

gnf_ireland

emulsifier wrote: »

Just a thought here,

Is it possible for schools to move learning to online platforms and have teachers support kids with questions that they have? One day a week might be slow and also comes increased risk of exposure. Schools are vital to the economy yes, but there seems to be a way around it that can keep it going without increasing the risk of exposure which is technology

However, the more difficult issues are those aspects of the economy that need human to human connection but are not so essential.

Firstly you are assuming both teachers and students have access to online facilities !

Yes, it might make a difference. Personally I was not expecting schools to open this academic year, although I did hope for 2 weeks to cushion the shock that will no doubt exist in September.
But I was hoping that teachers, especially those in primary, could have done a little more. An offer for a 5 minute Zoom call twice a week to give some 1-1 feedback, ask them how they were getting on etc would make a massive different to the children. A bit of encouragement to keep up the lessons, tell them how well they are doing and areas they know they could do a bit better with would maintain that engagement level with the school.

We have had very different experiences between the two teachers in our school. One sent through a worksheet on Monday for the week and no communication after that. The other sent through daily worksheets, had google classroom set up to take homework in, and responds within 20 minutes each time. The difference it has made to student engagement is massive.

iamwhoiam

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

So you view primary school as fundamentally childcare? What is your idea of how you propose schools opening to work?

Schools are a place of learning but it cannot be denied that many parents work while the children are in school .This is the world over and always has been .I worked night shifts all my working life and worked it around when the kids were in school to get some sleep . The school time table is vital for many working parents and always wil be

Mic 1972

khalessi wrote: »

Sorry, but there have been numerous threads on boards, one recently 50 plus pages slagging off teachers, and here the Hearty80 states teachers dont want to go back to work, and then quotes me and says oh surprise a teacher who doesnt want to work, despite me mentioning in said quote I will work with PPE as I have some.

Lets look at other nations. Denmark coopted other buildings for education use, has split clsses to about 6 kids, hand washing 2 hourly etc. DO you see it being done here. All I am saying is I hope so, a safe environment for everyone

You are absolutely right, some people are selfish here but in reality restrictions can't be lifted in the middle of the pandemic unless safety measures are put in place

drunkmonkey

Hearty80 wrote: »

Absolutely location by location sounds like a great idea, hopefully they will make the right decision and have some common sense.

It is but they won't do it, can't have some of the country going back to normal and people from epicenters being discriminated against. Dublin is the big problem and we should treat it differently, it's the last place restrictions should be removed from.

I don't know how your going to get kids back, my 5yr old is here refusing to go for a walk up the mountain because the virus is outside in the air. All air is bad now according to him.

Cork Boy 53

pjohnson wrote: »

They just want someone else to raise their child. You are a free babysitting service to them and as usual they dont give a rats ass about you or anyone else.

This is the actual truth of the matter for those like the poster today who is condemning the teachers.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

Surprise Surprise a teacher who doesn't want to go to work.......
What about supermarket workers health care assistants, hospital porters, poundshop employees. All meeting the most at risk everyday.
Take your head out of your posterior and go back to work. The economy needs schools and creches to reopen, it can't sustain you sitting at home being fully paid indefinitely.

Surprise surprise, parents who are sick of minding their own kids at home while there is a world wide emergency right now
Very selfish