STB. wrote: » NO THEY DID NOT. They are ONLY testing those with respiratory problems. THAT is the reason these trends mean nothing.
niallo27 wrote: » You original post talked about closed cases. 88% of closed cases in Ireland ended in death, do you dispute this.
robinbird wrote: » Sweden has plenty of excess ICU capacity it hasn't needed and to ability to provide more if necessary. In addition the figures can be very misleading. 42per cent of deaths in Sweden are in nursing homes. Many other countries including UK are deliberately not counting nursing home deaths in order to make their figures look much lower.
STB. wrote: » THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. 90% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 case closed in Sweden is 1500. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds.
STB. wrote: » Who cares ? Countries with limited ICU capacity who don't want them overwhelmed ALL at the ONE TIME with unnecessary triaging of people over certain ages or with underlying medical conditions. THAT'S WHO. You clearly don't understand what control of a pandemic. Or you are one of these Herd Immunity lunatics who doesn't understand what that means either. Your nonsense about antibodies clearly underlines your limited knowledge.
STB. wrote: » THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. Regardless. 94% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 cases died. That's a fifth of overall cases. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds.
robinbird wrote: » Sweden has plenty of excess ICU capacity it hasn't needed and to ability to provide more if necessary. In.
STB. wrote: » No they don't. Like us they are among the lowest in Europe. 5.8 ICU beds per 100k. They are in serious trouble in a few weeks.
robinbird wrote: » You've gone from "Wait a month. I'll be right" to resorting to confusing and pointless statistics to try to confuse. I really have no idea whatsoever what the above means. It's just meaningless mumbo jumbo.
robinbird wrote: » You are talking complete rubbish. When the figures contradict your argument you resort to " Wait for another month" The figures are available now and all the evidence points to Sweden being past its peak with deaths decreasing.
STB. wrote: » You are the one talking nonsense. You haven't a clue about their ICU capacity. You clearly don't understand that given they haven't been testing that no effective modelling can be done with Sweden. Your claims about reaching their peak is laughable. Their chief advisor is on about the long game whilst the disease blindly spreads among his fellow countrymen not realising the answer might happen quick and as a shock. All denial aspects of a do nothing regime. Your BS doesn't wash with me. Clearly you are one of these herd immunity loons. Between you and the mensa student posting about antibodies, the other kid who cannot divide one number into another, its a toss up who is the worst.
STB. wrote: » 94% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 cases died. That's a fifth of overall cases. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds. .
timmy_mallet wrote: » If this was being said by the bloke on the barstool next to you, you'd have moved 20 minutes ago
Att vara en hest wrote: » "in a few weeks".. It's already been 2+ months, with an incubation period of ~2 weeks and number of deaths already dropping I think that real numbers are telling a different story. But only time will tell.. for all we know numbers can pop up again. Here's the most reliable dataset for Sweden:https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige/ (as far as I know, the only one which takes in to account when death actually occurred, not when it was reported)
STB. wrote: » I suggest you read these, rather than guess work. Start with the first one, written on the 14/4. The death figures at that time were 1000. 5 days later its 1500+https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22-scientists-say-coronavirus-strategy-has-failed-as-deaths-top-1000/#3889df8e7b6chttps://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04
STB. wrote: » I suggest you read these, rather than guess work. Start with the first one, written on the 14/4. The death figures at that time were 1000. 5 days later its 1500+
STB. wrote: » https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22-scientists-say-coronavirus-strategy-has-failed-as-deaths-top-1000/#3889df8e7b6c
robinbird wrote: » Nobody's disputing your figures but you have been very selective in deliberately only choosing the countries that have lower per capita death rates than Sweden. You have selectively and disingenuously removed from your table all of the EU countries that have much higher figures that Sweden despite suspending civil liberties and destroying their economies. PS. I intended this as a response to STB and his using selective and misleading data to support his argument
Att vara en hest wrote: » It's been repeated in this thread multiple times, Sweden is always lagging behind a couple of days when it comes to death reporting. The link I provided adds the deaths to the date when the death actually occurred. Most other sites do NOT, they will add them to the date when death was REPORTED. This makes it look as if numbers are growing, especially after last weeks 4 day weekend (Friday and Monday were both bank holidays). 22 scientists doesn't really anything, I'm sure you can also find 22 scientists claiming the earth is flat... Doesn't mean they're right. ^^^ These all account for time of death rather than time of report. Updated once per day. For info on deaths, you're looking for "Avlidna/dag" (Dead per day).
STB. wrote: » Given we have 14.7k cases how many deaths have we had ? Maths and English clearly not your strong subject.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » STB I have been looking at your posts with the last week and honestly you strike me as someone that's having a hard time dealing with all this, the aggressiveness and obvious panic. Would you try having a chat with your GP? I am being deadly serious, it's a tough time for all, but you seem to be consuming yourself with it all and it's not doing you any good.
Att vara en hest wrote: » 22 scientists doesn't really anything, I'm sure you can also find 22 scientists claiming the earth is flat... Doesn't mean they're right.
robinbird wrote: » So based on this data it seems likely that Sweden passed the peak on 8th Apr and deaths per day are decreasing. Should be noted that it is in the interests on any country that has gone into lockdown at attach the swedish approach.
charlie14 wrote: » I would not be too sure about that. From what I have seen the number testing positive in Sweden on Thursday 16th was the highest daily number for the previous week. Plus it should be taken into account that their testing numbers are low.
STB. wrote: » Over the past 5 reporting days, their deaths have went from 1000 to 1500+
Glenomra wrote: » Sweden only 111 deaths in last 24 hours, a continuation of similar figures of the last few days. Where's this massive spike all the experts told us was coming. Were they wrong again?
STB. wrote: » THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. Regardless. 94% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 cases died. That's a fifth of overall cases. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds. No they don't. Like us they are among the lowest in Europe. 5.8 ICU beds per 100k. They are in serious trouble in a few weeks.
jibber5000 wrote: » The ICU capacity number is really nonsense. If the surge does come they will just extend the ICU to include theatre recovery areas. All it takes is reskilling nurses and purchasing ventilators, neither of which is a big issue. It would be helpful if you understood this before posting in absolutes.
jams100 wrote: » Are Sweden correct?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Mate, you have no idea what you are talking about if you think you can reskill nurses on the fly. Somebody who.says it's not a big issue has never worked in a hospital.
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