Kermit.de.frog wrote: » No, every country that eradicates the disease will be closed to Sweden. Do you believe that we will have flights to Stockholm if they persist? Really? We won't, nor will any other western country. For pure security and health reasons we won't. If that is the price they want to pay so be it... The world won't tremble at the loss.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Let me say this - they better not be the last country holding the straw of mass infection because no one will trade with a country that's riddled. If you think the US or China will open to Sweden after what they have been through when Sweden has done almost nothing to eradicate the disease - that won't happen. So Sweden needs to get on board fast or take the consequences. Or countries will be closed to them. Simple as that.
Widdensushi wrote: » So you think other countries will refuse to trade with them if the swedish approach is not a complete failure, rubbish. The world is watching with the majority hoping it's a success. A success won't be measured this year. It will probably March 22 at the earliest before you can look back at the overall casualties, from covid /mental health and the measures being taken by countries due to lack of funds.
coastwatch wrote: » Maybe, but everywhere will be going for ongoing surpression, not heard immunity. Head Immunity means, 20% of population require hospital treatment over next 6-12 months 5% of population require intensvie care treatment over next 6-12 months 1-2 % of population will die from covid 19 over next 6-12 months
[Deleted User] wrote: » Mate, you have no idea what you are talking about if you think you can reskill nurses on the fly. Somebody who.says it's not a big issue has never worked in a hospital.
jams100 wrote: » Are Sweden correct?
jibber5000 wrote: » The ICU capacity number is really nonsense. If the surge does come they will just extend the ICU to include theatre recovery areas. All it takes is reskilling nurses and purchasing ventilators, neither of which is a big issue. It would be helpful if you understood this before posting in absolutes.
STB. wrote: » THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. Regardless. 94% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 cases died. That's a fifth of overall cases. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds. No they don't. Like us they are among the lowest in Europe. 5.8 ICU beds per 100k. They are in serious trouble in a few weeks.
Glenomra wrote: » Sweden only 111 deaths in last 24 hours, a continuation of similar figures of the last few days. Where's this massive spike all the experts told us was coming. Were they wrong again?
STB. wrote: » Over the past 5 reporting days, their deaths have went from 1000 to 1500+
charlie14 wrote: » I would not be too sure about that. From what I have seen the number testing positive in Sweden on Thursday 16th was the highest daily number for the previous week. Plus it should be taken into account that their testing numbers are low.
Att vara en hest wrote: » 22 scientists doesn't really anything, I'm sure you can also find 22 scientists claiming the earth is flat... Doesn't mean they're right.
robinbird wrote: » So based on this data it seems likely that Sweden passed the peak on 8th Apr and deaths per day are decreasing. Should be noted that it is in the interests on any country that has gone into lockdown at attach the swedish approach.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » STB I have been looking at your posts with the last week and honestly you strike me as someone that's having a hard time dealing with all this, the aggressiveness and obvious panic. Would you try having a chat with your GP? I am being deadly serious, it's a tough time for all, but you seem to be consuming yourself with it all and it's not doing you any good.
STB. wrote: » Given we have 14.7k cases how many deaths have we had ? Maths and English clearly not your strong subject.
Att vara en hest wrote: » It's been repeated in this thread multiple times, Sweden is always lagging behind a couple of days when it comes to death reporting. The link I provided adds the deaths to the date when the death actually occurred. Most other sites do NOT, they will add them to the date when death was REPORTED. This makes it look as if numbers are growing, especially after last weeks 4 day weekend (Friday and Monday were both bank holidays). 22 scientists doesn't really anything, I'm sure you can also find 22 scientists claiming the earth is flat... Doesn't mean they're right. ^^^ These all account for time of death rather than time of report. Updated once per day. For info on deaths, you're looking for "Avlidna/dag" (Dead per day).
robinbird wrote: » Nobody's disputing your figures but you have been very selective in deliberately only choosing the countries that have lower per capita death rates than Sweden. You have selectively and disingenuously removed from your table all of the EU countries that have much higher figures that Sweden despite suspending civil liberties and destroying their economies. PS. I intended this as a response to STB and his using selective and misleading data to support his argument
STB. wrote: » I suggest you read these, rather than guess work. Start with the first one, written on the 14/4. The death figures at that time were 1000. 5 days later its 1500+
STB. wrote: » https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22-scientists-say-coronavirus-strategy-has-failed-as-deaths-top-1000/#3889df8e7b6c
timmy_mallet wrote: » If this was being said by the bloke on the barstool next to you, you'd have moved 20 minutes ago
STB. wrote: » I suggest you read these, rather than guess work. Start with the first one, written on the 14/4. The death figures at that time were 1000. 5 days later its 1500+https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22-scientists-say-coronavirus-strategy-has-failed-as-deaths-top-1000/#3889df8e7b6chttps://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04
Att vara en hest wrote: » "in a few weeks".. It's already been 2+ months, with an incubation period of ~2 weeks and number of deaths already dropping I think that real numbers are telling a different story. But only time will tell.. for all we know numbers can pop up again. Here's the most reliable dataset for Sweden:https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige/ (as far as I know, the only one which takes in to account when death actually occurred, not when it was reported)
STB. wrote: » 94% of our cases (we are actually actively testing, Sweden are not) are active 73% of 2000 cases died. That's a fifth of overall cases. Our cases numbers closed are limited as they are still active. 88% of fúck all is still fúck ALL. Look at the numbers. What do you not understand about that ? Its like talking to a class of 5 years olds. .
STB. wrote: » You are the one talking nonsense. You haven't a clue about their ICU capacity. You clearly don't understand that given they haven't been testing that no effective modelling can be done with Sweden. Your claims about reaching their peak is laughable. Their chief advisor is on about the long game whilst the disease blindly spreads among his fellow countrymen not realising the answer might happen quick and as a shock. All denial aspects of a do nothing regime. Your BS doesn't wash with me. Clearly you are one of these herd immunity loons. Between you and the mensa student posting about antibodies, the other kid who cannot divide one number into another, its a toss up who is the worst.
STB. wrote: » No they don't. Like us they are among the lowest in Europe. 5.8 ICU beds per 100k. They are in serious trouble in a few weeks.
robinbird wrote: » You've gone from "Wait a month. I'll be right" to resorting to confusing and pointless statistics to try to confuse. I really have no idea whatsoever what the above means. It's just meaningless mumbo jumbo.
robinbird wrote: » You are talking complete rubbish. When the figures contradict your argument you resort to " Wait for another month" The figures are available now and all the evidence points to Sweden being past its peak with deaths decreasing.
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