Cyrus wrote: » It’s also true that it’s killing a large portion of people who will have died this year anyway. So it will be interesting to see the full year 2020 numbers versus other years when we have them
biko wrote: » I wonder at what numbers you will think "fcuk, the Swedish government totally murdered all those people".
IAMAMORON wrote: » Given that the virus was in its infancy in the UK on the 20th March this is hardly surprising. There will be a stark increase in deaths in the UK, give it a month to start throwing stats around. Very unusual to have ICU's at full capacity in mid April also. This virus is a killer have no doubt, it is also not the Flu.
Cyrus wrote: » Are you feeling ok ?
Strazdas wrote: » Problem is that herd immunity and Covid-19 is only a theory. It's an extraordinary gamble to go down the route of "Let's give this theory a go and see what happens" as the Swedes are doing.
Breezin wrote: » The point is that both strategies are gambles in the long term. The Swedish one is the more moderate, less politically-led, route.
SuperTortoise wrote: » The fact is, those people will die before their time, be it a week or 10 years, it's tragic, and a lot of them were preventable.
degsie wrote: » Feet planted firmly in the real world where there is a recognition that this virus is taking too many people before their time. I feel perfectly fine and not so flippant about death, thank you.
dubrov wrote: » True, it was in its infancy but I'd like to see some official stats. A&Es are empty and ICUs are still a long way from capacity..
IAMAMORON wrote: » I don't know where you read that? They are going through a crisis, have run out of proper PPE, have set up temporary hospitals, staff are dying, there is major epicentre in Gwent in Wales of all places. The UK is struggling bigtime. They topped 15,400 deaths today. 5 weeks ago they had 3 deaths nationally. That is 15,337 deaths in 5 weeks. Well above average you will find. See link for the office of national statistics. Have a look for yourself.https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths
The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 3 April 2020 (Week 14) was 16,387; this represents an increase of 5,246 deaths registered compared with the previous week (Week 13) and 6,082 more than the five-year average.
Del Griffith wrote: » LOL, are you for real, I think you've confused immune with asymptomatic. Groups are working on vaccines you say, stop the presses! So we are in agreement then, there is currently no vaccine.
dubrov wrote: » I would say the Swedish government is taking the riskier gamble. If other governments are wrong, they will be able to the fact that everyone else was taking that approach so there is certainly more safety in numbers.
ush wrote: » But they haven't, have they? Just because you wish to see Sweden fail, doesn't mean it actually will.
STB. wrote: » No they are not both gambles. One is a public health strategy to not abandon the most vulnerable to the virus. The other is a do nothing heads in the sand approach in favour of economics. The Swedish strategy is not moderate. Its extreme. Extremely negligent to gamble with peoples lives. Herd Immunity is NOT a vaccine. So signs on it, they will have massive deaths that their ICU capacity cannot deal with over the next month. Their ICU capacity is 5.8 per 100k, just a tad above us, so they shouldn't have been gambling at all with a 10 mill population. Their only saving grace is that 50% of Stockholm have been ignoring their own country's advice and working from home. They are still in serious trouble.
Joe_ Public wrote: » In relation to testing South Korea is often referred to in glowing terms, so it's interesting that in a chart of 20 countries i saw listed earlier in terms of volume of testing, Korea was only listed as 17th. So seems to suggest there were other factors involved or it came down not necessarily to volume but to efficiency and contact tracing. Maybe a bit of good old-fashioned luck involved too.
Breezin wrote: » This is in the seen-to- be-doing something school of thought. No one is saying everything is hunky dory for Sweden, but neither is it for us. You need to look again at the international comparison charts.
dubrov wrote: » STB, you are reaching conclusions when there is still a long way to go in this thing.
munster87 wrote: » They were talking about immunity in people who have had the virus already I’d assume
STB. wrote: » How so ? I have seen their figures. Their country is limiting testing to to those with respiratory problems. This is hiding the true levels of contagion out there. Why ? They are in denial. Wait until it hits like other country's who had better ICU capacity and have now been brought to their knees by its effectiveness. Sweden have 2,061 closed cases. 73% of them died. 73%. 10% of their current active cases are in critical condition, another 1000 people. They have went on a solo gamble with a pandemic. The UK did the same. Then changed their minds. A lot of needless deaths could have been avoided.
niallo27 wrote: » Do you agree they should really be a lot worse by now though.
STB. wrote: » No. 73% of closed cases resulting in death in nothing to look up to.
niallo27 wrote: » For context, 88% of closed cases in ireland have ended in death.
Turtwig wrote: » Can we please drop this 'Sweden are doing nothing'. They are doing less and their societal structure may or may not allow for it. Only time will tell. To put it another way even if this works out for Sweden it is does not mean it would have necessarily worked for Ireland. Every society is different. Culture, infrastructure and population also play a role.
STB. wrote: » For context, Niall, You better check the source and the context of that. 1,511 out of 2,061 cases died in Sweden. Another 10% of current cases are in critical condition. We have 14,758 cases in total. 14,110 are considered active cases. Sweden's fatality rate is extremely high. 22 of the country’s most prominent professors in infectious diseases and epidemiology published a commentary in Dagens Nyheter calling on their chief advisor to resign and appealing to the government to take a different course of action. If you are genuinely interested in what is happening in Sweden, you should read Hans Bergstrom's article here.
thebaz wrote: » Im confused, here you are saying Sweden are doing ok, and a couple of post up you are accusing ther Government of murder ?
