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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Idbatterim

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Pub crawls, they can't be serious

of course they arent, stop feeding the trolls. Pubs wont be open for god knows how long, I am speculating autumn at the earliest...

joebloggs32

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feel a bit more optimistic now but dont think it will be as straight forward on the 5th May as we think

People already planning pub crawls for that week

Not a chance of pubs being opened that soon.
It will be a slow unwinding of restrictions with the hse closely monitoring infections rates. The last things to reopen will be the first things they closed.

PTH2009

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Pub crawls, they can't be serious

Yeah the Facebook/snapchat attention seeking crowd who think they have problems and are mad craic altogether

'There going to party and get pissed #missmybuds'

Idbatterim

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Not a chance of pubs being opened that soon.
It will be a slow unwinding of restrictions with the hse closely monitoring infections rates. The last things to reopen will be the first things they closed.

yeah in terms of importance, foreign leisure based travel and the pubs (where people get drunk and messy and will be all over each other) are miles down the road...

khalessi

So just to change conversation a bit.

Whenever every restricition is lifted and life goes back to something akin to say November 2019.

Is there anything you will change or will you maintain social distancing or think twice before shaking hands, hugging people or will it be party on? Is there any aspect of Lockdown /infection control you will keep?

joebloggs32

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah the Facebook/snapchat attention seeking crowd who think they have problems and are mad craic altogether

'There going to party and get pissed #missmybuds'

The fastest route back to a lock down.

I'd be just happy to be allowed have family over for a bbq in the back garden while still social distancing. We will need to limit social interactions for more than a year I reckon.

theological

polesheep wrote: »

So you're saying that either a bus is safe for everyone, including the vulnerable, or it doesn't run? Try to answer without deflecting.

The more likely thing is that we're going to have to accept changes to our lives in the long term. For example queuing at distances, or entering the bus through the middle doors (like what they are doing in London), and working from home longer term.

I suspect that some things will be eased however once there is a wider picture about what is going on. For example the stricter restrictions on going outside or seeing other people. Eventually people are going to have to learn how to live in light of the virus. Probably that means that those who are most vulnerable will need to stay indoors while the rest of us make small steps towards being outside more.

Reganio 2

Think we could be in trouble in the next couple of weeks. The doctor on the late late show saying the curve has been flattened their is no peak has been going around facebook now their is going to be a lot of stupid people now going back to whatever they normally do, especially if the weather picks up.

How can the guards stop anyone as well, sure the whole idea of lockdown was to flatten the curve, we have a government official telling us the curve is flattened so why couldn't we go about things as normal.

RobbingBandit

If pubs open again before schools are back I'd be surprised.

Ace2007

polesheep wrote: »

So you're saying that either a bus is safe for everyone, including the vulnerable, or it doesn't run? Try to answer without deflecting.

I say gone are the days that we will all be packing into buses rammed to the door - because that's not safe for anyone.

Again public transport and the likes will adapt, just like they are running at the moment - seats restricted - unable to sit beside a stranger on the bus.

With large volumes of people wfh, instead of being in the office, or staggered work times etc, less people will need to use buses at the same time.

You come across as someone who would have been opposed to wheelchair friendly buses - because it's only a minority. If there is a will in society, which i believe there will be - everyone will work together for the good of everyone's life, and no part of society will be left to lock away or feel unwanted until there is a vaccine.

Reganio 2

RobbingBandit wrote: »

If pubs open again before schools are back I'd be surprised.

Pubs are business, how long can you keep telling someone they cant open. Schools they can do what they like with really.

stephenjmcd

Ace2007 wrote: »

I say gone are the days that we will all be packing into buses rammed to the door - because that's not safe for anyone.

Again public transport and the likes will adapt, just like they are running at the moment - seats restricted - unable to sit beside a stranger on the bus.

With large volumes of people wfh, instead of being in the office, or staggered work times etc, less people will need to use buses at the same time.

You come across as someone who would have been opposed to wheelchair friendly buses - because it's only a minority. If there is a will in society, which i believe there will be - everyone will work together for the good of everyone's life, and no part of society will be left to lock away or feel unwanted until there is a vaccine.

Just on the buses point, I'm currently working from home in the IT industry but I know when the office reopens I'll be in the office, as despite being in a sector that can do some jobs remotely, the vast majority of work requires a presence in the office.

Bus are running at the moment with about 15 people max on a double decker. Whenever offices reopen regardless of the numbers that work from home, running a bus of 15 simply wont be possible, I was already working in an office with staggered start times, I start at 7.30am so get a bus about half 6, there's 15 people on it after about 5 stops, so the suggestion that buses can adapt is all well and good when demand isn't there but when demand returns they wont be able to block off one in every 4 seats regardless of how staggered working hours are.

Ace2007

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just on the buses point, I'm currently working from home in the IT industry but I know when the office reopens I'll be in the office, as despite being in a sector that can do some jobs remotely, the vast majority of work requires a presence in the office.

Bus are running at the moment with about 15 people max on a double decker. Whenever offices reopen regardless of the numbers that work from home, running a bus of 15 simply wont be possible, so the suggestion that buses can adapt is all well and good when demand isn't there but when demand returns they wont be able to block off one in every 4 seats

A few pages back Lord Quack was shipping all the IT jobs including yours off to India...

There will be challenges on some fronts, but like another poster said - you will be entering and leaving buses at different doors for instance. I don't think people will be allow stand - the packed buses will be a thing of the past.

If you take a bus for instance they are packed at certain hours of the day, and pretty empty at others - why is that? it's because the time of day people start/finish work, time schools/college start and finish - if society wants to find a way - these can all be staggered to reduce the numbers travelling. We see Irish Rail adverts asking people to do this as certain trains are packed, yet a train 15 mins later is half empty.

alwald

Ace2007 wrote: »

I say gone are the days that we will all be packing into buses rammed to the door - because that's not safe for anyone.

Again public transport and the likes will adapt, just like they are running at the moment - seats restricted - unable to sit beside a stranger on the bus.

With large volumes of people wfh, instead of being in the office, or staggered work times etc, less people will need to use buses at the same time.

You come across as someone who would have been opposed to wheelchair friendly buses - because it's only a minority. If there is a will in society, which i believe there will be - everyone will work together for the good of everyone's life, and no part of society will be left to lock away or feel unwanted until there is a vaccine.

Totally and there is a need for proper guidance from the government and proper oversight from public transport companies.

Likewise I think the government should ask all companies that can operate on WFH basis to continue to do so. Other business should implement measures to guarantee the safety of their staff.

Someone previously suggested dividing classes in schools into 2 groups which I think is a brilliant idea. Even if it means slightly less hours in the schools. It's important to educate the young now on the importance of social distancing and hygiene as this virus might stay with us for a long time.

The "lift restrictions brigade" should keep in mind that we aren't going back to normal on the 5th of may (pubs, restaurants, gigs...) and that there is a possibility to go back to stricter restrictions if there is a high level of non compliance, which will lead ultimately to more cases of C-19.

Nermal

California, where people are getting COVID-19 instead of the flu...

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1251315563017629697

stephenjmcd

Ace2007 wrote: »

A few pages back Lord Quack was shipping all the IT jobs including yours off to India...

There will be challenges on some fronts, but like another poster said - you will be entering and leaving buses at different doors for instance. I don't think people will be allow stand - the packed buses will be a thing of the past.

If you take a bus for instance they are packed at certain hours of the day, and pretty empty at others - why is that? it's because the time of day people start/finish work, time schools/college start and finish - if society wants to find a way - these can all be staggered to reduce the numbers travelling. We see Irish Rail adverts asking people to do this as certain trains are packed, yet a train 15 mins later is half empty.

Lord Quack can say whatever he wants, I haven't read it and quite frankly dont care.

I agree I dont think people will be allowed to stand. Your already supposed to leave via centre doors, but some drivers dont open them, that'll change.

A dublin bus for example is busy nearly all day long, I start at 7.30 and finish about 3.30/4, before rush hour, it's still full anyway. Staggering the hours wont make any difference, you've the same number of fleet available to serve the same number of customers regardless of how staggered they are.

If you've used irish rail that thing is utter crap, they basically advise getting a dart at like half 9 or 10. End of the day people have the time they need to be in work for, everyone in my office starts at different times already anyway and we've all had this conversation before. Doesn't matter if you start at half 7 or 9 or 10, demand is always there until you get to early afternoon.

The suggestion that every business, college and school starts at different times just wont work.

What the solution is I dont know, I'm sure those invovled in the NTA are probably already talking about this.

Ace2007

Nermal wrote: »

California, where people are getting COVID-19 instead of the flu...

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1251315563017629697

Why did he stop at week 16? why not got to week 20 and show everyone the graph slopping negatively?

Why show the flu for 4 season, but only the virus for 1 - do you think that is a fair comparison? - why not show flu for 10 seasons, or just 1 season?

His graph are patients numbers - why didn't he show death numbers?

How many people get tested for the flu each year compared with the virus?

I know your not the poster on twitter, but your sharing information that has more questions then provides answers.

stephenjmcd

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why did he stop at week 16? why not got to week 20 and show everyone the graph slopping negatively?

Why show the flu for 4 season, but only the virus for 1 - do you think that is a fair comparison? - why not show flu for 10 seasons, or just 1 season?

His graph are patients numbers - why didn't he show death numbers?

How many people get tested for the flu each year compared with the virus?

I know your not the poster on twitter, but your sharing information that has more questions then provides answers.

Yeah looking at that chart I'm not quite sure what to make of it, just throws up more questions really.

Downlinz

Nermal wrote: »

California, where people are getting COVID-19 instead of the flu...

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1251315563017629697

With lockdowns and social distancing the flu would obviously spread considerably less than normal as well.

BanditLuke

Augeo wrote: »

There's a huge amount of people out there that would blissfully ruin all the benefit recent endeavours have yielded.

On here also.

WhiteMemento9

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Pubs are business, how long can you keep telling someone they cant open. Schools they can do what they like with really.

As long as we need to? Yes, the are a business that now poses a threat to national health so they are no longer viable at this time or anytime in the near future. Business become unviable all the time. This constant crying about pubs is beyond tiresome when talking about people dying.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

If they create a quick antibody test, could you technically be required to test and log your result in an app. Then before you are allowed in to pubs etc, you need to show you are clear?

Podge201

Pubs won't be open until 2021.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Podge201 wrote: »

Pubs won't be open until 2021.

Thanks for confirming this to the nation.

Podge201

Amia Thundering Engineer wrote: »

Thanks for confirming this to the nation.

Thank you.

Idbatterim

RobbingBandit wrote: »

If pubs open again before schools are back I'd be surprised.

pubs is a funny one, the one business not currently open, that people want open the most, but in another way, by far, the least important one...

WhiteMemento9

Idbatterim wrote: »

pubs is a funny one, the one business not currently open, that people want open the most, but in another way, by far, the least important one...

I don't know anyone sane that wants them open? Would I love to go for a pint, absolutely. Do I think that they are in anyway workable at the moment, absolutely not. There should be a backlash to having them open, not public opinion that they should open. I just don't understand people at times.

Reganio 2

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

As long as we need to? Yes, the are a business that now poses a threat to national health so they are no longer viable at this time or anytime in the near future. Business become unviable all the time. This constant crying about pubs is beyond tiresome when talking about people dying.

But businesses being told you cant reopen and then going out of business will have a massive problem on the economy. Pubs are a massive benefit to the economy. So all well and good saying dont bother reopening people dying all that. But the amount of people that will lose jobs if a lot of pubs cant reopen wouldn't be good.

WhiteMemento9

Reganio 2 wrote: »

But businesses being told you cant reopen and then going out of business will have a massive problem on the economy. Pubs are a massive benefit to the economy. So all well and good saying dont bother reopening people dying all that. But the amount of people that will lose jobs if a lot of pubs cant reopen wouldn't be good.

I don't understand the question? They are not viable, safe businesses. There is no choice here.

Idbatterim

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I don't know anyone sane that wants them open? Would I love to go for a pint, absolutely. Do I think that they are in anyway workable at the moment, absolutely not. There should be a backlash to having them open, not public opinion that they should open. I just don't understand people at times.

I agree, imagine just being able to go for a few pints now, with no virus implications, in a dream land, it would do us the world of good. but no , of course they cant open them any time soon. This bull**** about pubs will be open in a month or two, on another planet. they will start getting people back to work over the next few weeks, the schools are realistically going to have to go back in september, I dont have kids, but I am also not an idiot, particularly if people are working, go tell parents schools wont re-open in september, after months of this bull**** already, good luck! Pubs are way down the road and foreign leisure based travel? LOL! same with large gatherings , miles down the road.

its pretty simple to work out, there is the mass contact, that is important and totally unimportant, work related, that cant be done remotely, important. Kids education and the households sanity, important. The cost of them getting back up, will rightfully be, pretty much all of the good stuff, pubs, gigs , sporting events, is pushed way back...