JoeExotic81 wrote: » Wtf are you even on about? Have you been drinking? Not slept enough? "evidence that if you get it and recover you can be left with long-term lung and heart damage." This statement by you is all I am discussing. I didn't mention a solution, just calling out your hyperbolic misery laden nonsense.
KiKi III wrote: » Tell me this Joe, if your solution is the way forward how come not one doctor or epidemiologist is advocating it? Do you know more about this than they do?
JoeExotic81 wrote: » There's been 14,000 confirmed cases here. 300 ICU admissions as a result of those. I would imagine only a fraction of those 300 will have long term issues but even if they all did, it's still a tiny percentage of those who get the virus. I'm not talking about herd immunity. I'm talking about statements like "evidence that if you get it and recover you can be left with long-term lung and heart damage." Terribly miserable way of wording something. There's evidence too that you'll get struck by lightning today if you go out Kiki. Best continue working on your bunker. You could have just as easily worded it "people who end up in ICU might suffer long term effects". No sh!t Sherlock
KiKi III wrote: » Here’s a respiratory doctor talking about it in the Irish Times.https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/coronavirus-what-happens-to-people-s-lungs-if-they-get-covid-19-1.4211714%3fmode=amp 6% of people will get a severe enough version of the illness to fall into this category. So, if you’re trying to achieve here immunity, that’s 6% of 3,000,000 people. How do you imagine our health system, currently under pressure with a few hundred people in ICU is going to cope with that?
jester77 wrote: » Shops under 800 sqm. are opening here in Hamburg on Monday, exam students returning the following Monday, more classes the week after that. Slowly returning to normal is the approach been taken.
rob316 wrote: » Its not about the deaths though, its about making sure our health service doesn't meltdown. People continue to miss this
KiKi III wrote: » What countries are you talking about specifically? Almost all of Western Europe has already done or plans for at least five weeks of lockdown.
Augeo wrote: » There is no way the lock down as it stands is being extended beyond may 05th. I don't know what exactly will be the first steps, building sites or non essential workplaces that can implement the 2m thing.... But something will be changed. There will be more movement of people and economic activity.
JoeExotic81 wrote: » Scaremongering hyperbolic crap. Generally any long term ramifications are from those who end up in ICU, or who may have had an underlying issue which would have resulted in similar long term effects with any serious respiratory illness. Put up some trustworthy links to back up such nonsense please. It's nice to see more common sense and positivity in the majority of the posters in here though. Great post by Kaiser last night.
KiKi III wrote: » There is also evidence that if you get it and recover you can be left with long-term lung and heart damage. The “herd immunity” pushers consistently ignore this.
Cyrus wrote: » Hyperbolic in the extreme The reality is that the level of incremental deaths yoy at the moment isn’t significant and when all of this is over the number of deaths in 2020 will be lower than other recent years. We need to move on with making the societal changes that help limit the spread while getting people back to work and to some level of normality . I’m not sure you noticed but we can’t afford to pay people 350 a week into perpetuity .
[Deleted User] wrote: » The default position is that humans gain immunity after fighting off a virus. You don't need evidence that you can't get it again, you need evidence that you can. We have millions of confirmed cases. If reinfection were a major issue, it would be known. Some reports that it may have happened aren't enough.
Idbatterim wrote: » Lads when you are interested in foreign news, unlike the lockdown merchants here who rely solely on rte, lol, you'll see how the other governments realise this current phase of lockdown we are in, needs to end soon ... they arent all hyper comservative governments like here, that will do more damage than good! Nearly half the deaths are in nursing homes , unsurprising, they need to tackle that asap!
JRant wrote: » Will there be surge before the tsunami
dePeatrick wrote: » https://qz.com/1837798/why-some-covid-19-patients-might-have-tested-positive-twice/ There is not some reports, there are lots, too soon to know yet if we build immunity and if so how long it lasts. In the absence of containment it will not be a second wave, it will be a tsunami.
Cupatae wrote: » What do you think will happen when we lift the restrictions ? Do people gain immunity to the virus or can they be reinfected? What do you propose be done if the infections start claiming again once restrictions are lifted? If the hospitals start to struggle with the increased volume of people coming in because of people going back to normal ? Do we power on protect the economy accept the death in order to protect it ? Do we go back into lockdown ? How would you convince the people like some on this thread that loath having to give up an shred of freedom? How many dead would you be willing to trade for the greater good of the economy and normality of the "majority"?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » One more point before I go to sleep The current restrictions are like the old saying of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but they were justified because this was a new event in Ireland, we weren't yet ready to fully respond, and needed to buy time while simultaneously getting everyone's attention. Mission accomplished on that front. But we now know a bit more, we're identifying the at risk people in our communities and we've ramped up our ability to respond. We also know that all of this costs money and impacts people's wellbeing in other ways beyond physical health or money. As Ads by Google pointed out, we are not built for long term confinement and this will result in long term issues if not resolved soon. We also cannot ignore the rapidly escalating scale of the economic impact. So again, we need to balance the need to protect the vulnerable against the needs of the majority and the country as a whole.
Deleted User wrote: » The default position is that humans gain immunity after fighting off a virus. You don't need evidence that you can't get it again, you need evidence that you can. We have millions of confirmed cases. If reinfection were a major issue, it would be known. Some reports that it may have happened aren't enough.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I don't disagree with the point that most people will probably get this thing before it's over. What I disagree with is the idea that the solution is to lockdown a majority of people who will not suffer any lasting effects to protect a minority who can be protected in better and more targeted ways - such as continuing to prioritise online and retail shopping for them to continue to cocoon themselves. But those who can get back to some sort of normality need to, both for their own good, the good of the country, AND to help support those who are vulnerable.
Blueshoe wrote: » Say they open your office back up. One person in the office picks up the virus from someone else down in the supermarket. The infected person spreads the virus and more people in the office become sick. They then give it to their husbands and wives who are also back working and so on and so on. It's a highly contagious virus. Unless you can almost guarantee that nobody who is out and about has the virus how can you stop it spreading again? Back to lockdown. The past however many weeks wasted
_Kaiser_ wrote: » And if, and indeed when, people get it most will thankfully fully recover or not even realise they had it. It's a serious situation for sure but we need to balance protecting the vulnerable vs protecting the majority - both of whom have different needs here. Your post, while true to a point and well intentioned I'm sure, is exactly the hyperbolic over the top, driven by fear, stuff that should be avoided.
Blueshoe wrote: » A highly contagious virus doesn't care if you need to get back to work. If there is a second wave of infections and lockdown is needed again you can forget about the economy.
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