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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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[Deleted User]

pgj2015 wrote: »

its not like it kills all people over 70 or 80 either, there are people in their 80's, 90's who have survived it, I think even some people over 100. i wouldn't be a prisoner in my own home either.

I know if doesn't kill the vast majority of those who get it. But deaths go up when ICU beds get filled. We're talking about getting back on track while still "flattening the curve".

Realistically, as many beds as possible have to available for the younger fitter people who are back at work but in the tiny minority at their age to get hit badly by it.

Cupatae

Deleted User wrote: »

In theory, by hammering it home that if you're obviously at risk, stay at home even when others are allowed to go out and be at work etc.

It won't work, though. People like my mother will be going to her dances as soon as she's allowed to. As a retired nurse, she should know better, but it isn't human nature to imprison yourself voluntarily because of something you can't see. Some people can do it but not all.

I agree, my own parents would be similar very set in there ways, as you said its worse with something you cant see..tbh i think we are in very dicy territory and the handling of restrictions will be critical...id fear for the hospitals..if too much is eased as alot seem to have a very lax attitude towards it.

Im all for lifting the restrictions and and getting back to normality so long as its done in a well thought out manner, and not due to public pressure. On the flip side of it, if they said May they need to extend the lockdown id understand that aswell as we are already in it now and have paid a heavy price we cant afford for it to be for nothing.

Blueshoe

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And I don't see anything wrong with that myself as long as they take some precautions and take responsibility for their own actions. If your mam decides to go out, she needs to understand the potential risks.

We cannot put the country/planet on "hold" indefinitely. As I said before in this thread, risk acceptance and management will be the order of the day as we try to get things moving again.

The alternative is mental, social and economic disaster. As you say, it's not in human nature to accept confinement and isolation, and we all need to have jobs and an income to survive this too.

A highly contagious virus doesn't care if you need to get back to work. If there is a second wave of infections and lockdown is needed again you can forget about the economy.

Deeper Blue

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's really striking and concerning at the same time how many are apparently unable to judge a situation for themselves, rather than just blindly following instructions.

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But as someone else said above, I do worry about how some will reconcile this uncomfortable truth with what they've been "conditioned" to believe online or from endless media coverage on this topic. I'm not being funny either. I think some will genuinely struggle to adapt to what they see as wild and reckless actions.

Great post, a very rare thing on this thread. Kudos

_Kaiser_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In theory, by hammering it home that if you're obviously at risk, stay at home even when others are allowed to go out and be at work etc.

It won't work, though. People like my mother will be going to her dances as soon as she's allowed to. As a retired nurse, she should know better, but it isn't human nature to imprison yourself voluntarily because of something you can't see. Some people can do it but not all.

And I don't see anything wrong with that myself as long as they take some precautions and take responsibility for their own actions. If your mam decides to go out, she needs to understand the potential risks.

We cannot put the country/planet on "hold" indefinitely. As I said before in this thread, risk acceptance and management will be the order of the day as we try to get things moving again.

The alternative is mental, social and economic disaster. As you say, it's not in human nature to accept confinement and isolation, and we all need to have jobs and an income to survive this too.

pgj2015

Deleted User wrote: »

In theory, by hammering it home that if you're obviously at risk, stay at home even when others are allowed to go out and be at work etc.

It won't work, though. People like my mother will be going to her dances as soon as she's allowed to. As a retired nurse, she should know better, but it isn't human nature to imprison yourself voluntarily because of something you can't see. Some people can do it but not all.

its not like it kills all people over 70 or 80 either, there are people in their 80's, 90's who have survived it, I think even some people over 100. i wouldn't be a prisoner in my own home either.

[Deleted User]

Cupatae wrote: »

but anyway how do you suggest on returning most the population to normal lives, and stop our hospitals being overrun?

In theory, by hammering it home that if you're obviously at risk, stay at home even when others are allowed to go out and be at work etc.

It won't work, though. People like my mother will be going to her dances as soon as she's allowed to. As a retired nurse, she should know better, but it isn't human nature to imprison yourself voluntarily because of something you can't see. Some people can do it but not all.

alwald

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's really striking and concerning at the same time how many are apparently unable to judge a situation for themselves, rather than just blindly following instructions.

Leo gives a a good speech (written by a better writer) and backs it up with a media campaign and snappy slogan (STAY AT HOME), and some think it's the apocalypse and the end of everything if they step beyond an arbitrary (and largely misunderstood) 2km limit.

Some facts..
- Corona is going nowhere in the short/medium term.. True
- People will continue to get sick and some will die.. Sadly, also true
- Some people are more at risk than others.. Again. True
- HOWEVER, an overwhelming majority of people will get it and recover or not even know they had it in the first place
- The long term mental, social and financial health of all these individuals and the State requires that a balance be struck between the "at risk" group, and the majority
- This means that we will continue to protect the vulnerable people as best we can, but also relaxing restrictions so that others can carry out the essential activities we all need
- I'll also add that no one is stopping anyone from maintaining a self imposed isolation if they feel more comfortable and secure by doing so, and no one is going to think less of them either

But, as I said at the start, somewhere along the road it seems that many have lost the ability to look at a situation for themselves, apply some common sense and accept personal responsibility for their own actions and safety generally - instead waiting for "someone else" to do it for them, regardless of whether that person is any more qualified to do so than they are.

This phase of the lockdown is coming to an end. Not because anyone is underestimating this virus, but because the Government and advisors realise that a balance NEEDS to be struck for the benefit of us ALL.

But as someone else said above, I do worry about how some will reconcile this uncomfortable truth with what they've been "conditioned" to believe online or from endless media coverage on this topic. I'm not being funny either. I think some will genuinely struggle to adapt to what they see as wild and reckless actions.

The comedy club is next door and you can make a good career in stand-up comedy but your current show is over...hasta la vista!!

Cupatae

Rainmann wrote: »

Totally agree with this. People need to start thinking for themselves, what is sensible and what isn't rather than sheepishly eating up everything the media put out there. This Virus will be with us for quite a while, we need to learn to live with it to the extent that our hospitals are not overrun, but also returning to some level of normality.

Sounds great really does just seems very hollow i see this same speil everywhere "the virus isnt going anywhere we need to learn to live with it" what do people think the lockdown is for? we are figuring **** out while trying to flatten the curve, if alot of the head the walls had there way on here the lockdown would have stopped at 2 weeks "Job Done".

but anyway how do you suggest on returning most the population to normal lives, and stop our hospitals being overrun?

Whats the contingency plan should things go tits up ? lock down again?

Rainmann

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's really striking and concerning at the same time how many are apparently unable to judge a situation for themselves, rather than just blindly following instructions.

Leo gives a a good speech (written by a better writer) and backs it up with a media campaign and snappy slogan (STAY AT HOME), and some think it's the apocalypse and the end of everything if they step beyond an arbitrary (and largely misunderstood) 2km limit.

Some facts..
- Corona is going nowhere in the short/medium term.. True
- People will continue to get sick and some will die.. Sadly, also true
- Some people are more at risk than others.. Again. True
- HOWEVER, an overwhelming majority of people will get it and recover or not even know they had it in the first place
- The long term mental, social and financial health of all these individuals and the State requires that a balance be struck between the "at risk" group, and the majority
- This means that we will continue to protect the vulnerable people as best we can, but also relaxing restrictions so that others can carry out the essential activities we all need
- I'll also add that no one is stopping anyone from maintaining a self imposed isolation if they feel more comfortable and secure by doing so, and no one is going to think less of them either

But, as I said at the start, somewhere along the road it seems that many have lost the ability to look at a situation for themselves, apply some common sense and accept personal responsibility for their own actions and safety generally - instead waiting for "someone else" to do it for them, regardless of whether that person is any more qualified to do so than they are.

This phase of the lockdown is coming to an end. Not because anyone is underestimating this virus, but because the Government and advisors realise that a balance NEEDS to be struck for the benefit of us ALL.

But as someone else said above, I do worry about how some will reconcile this uncomfortable truth with what they've been "conditioned" to believe online or from endless media coverage on this topic. I'm not being funny either. I think some will genuinely struggle to adapt to what they see as wild and reckless actions.

Totally agree with this. People need to start thinking for themselves, what is sensible and what isn't rather than sheepishly eating up everything the media put out there. This Virus will be with us for quite a while, we need to learn to live with it to the extent that our hospitals are not overrun, but also returning to some level of normality.

Cupatae

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's really striking and concerning at the same time how many are apparently unable to judge a situation for themselves, rather than just blindly following instructions.

Leo gives a a good speech (written by a better writer) and backs it up with a media campaign and snappy slogan (STAY AT HOME), and some think it's the apocalypse and the end of everything if they step beyond an arbitrary (and largely misunderstood) 2km limit.

Some facts..
- Corona is going nowhere in the short/medium term.. True
- People will continue to get sick and some will die.. Sadly, also true
- Some people are more at risk than others.. Again. True
- HOWEVER, an overwhelming majority of people will get it and recover or not even know they had it in the first place
- The long term mental, social and financial health of all these individuals and the State requires that a balance be struck between the "at risk" group, and the majority
- This means that we will continue to protect the vulnerable people as best we can, but also relaxing restrictions so that others can carry out the essential activities we all need
- I'll also add that no one is stopping anyone from maintaining a self imposed isolation if they feel more comfortable and secure by doing so, and no one is going to think less of them either

But, as I said at the start, somewhere along the road it seems that many have lost the ability to look at a situation for themselves, apply some common sense and accept personal responsibility for their own actions and safety generally - instead waiting for "someone else" to do it for them, regardless of whether that person is any more qualified to do so than they are.

This phase of the lockdown is coming to an end. Not because anyone is underestimating this virus, but because the Government and advisors realise that a balance NEEDS to be struck for the benefit of us ALL.

But as someone else said above, I do worry about how some will reconcile this uncomfortable truth with what they've been "conditioned" to believe online or from endless media coverage on this topic. I'm not being funny either. I think some will genuinely struggle to adapt to what they see as wild and reckless actions.

The reality of it is, there are individuals on this site that have such high opinions of themselves, that no matter the situation or how under qualified they are... they always seem to know best, they revel in statistics they copy and paste.. they use the biggest fanciest words they can find and battle tooth and nail behind any theory they believe to be "right" all to keep up the charade of being "Super intelligent and above the rest" going.

When they actually know about as much as the next person does which is **** all in the grand scheme of things.

There is a reason we are in lockdown its because people that are qualified and have years of education and training behind them for these situations have crunched the numbers recognized the danger and implemented the best course of action no matter what the "know it alls" on boards say.

I dont see why people just dont focus on the lockdown and doing a good job of that, and then see where we are in may.. they may extend it they may not but one things for sure no poster here knows for sure what will happen and thats just the fact of the matter.

As for those that accept the lockdown struggling to "adapt" back to normal life? please dont be so ridiculous.

_Kaiser_

It's really striking and concerning at the same time how many are apparently unable to judge a situation for themselves, rather than just blindly following instructions.

Leo gives a a good speech (written by a better writer) and backs it up with a media campaign and snappy slogan (STAY AT HOME), and some think it's the apocalypse and the end of everything if they step beyond an arbitrary (and largely misunderstood) 2km limit.

Some facts..
- Corona is going nowhere in the short/medium term.. True
- People will continue to get sick and some will die.. Sadly, also true
- Some people are more at risk than others.. Again. True
- HOWEVER, an overwhelming majority of people will get it and recover or not even know they had it in the first place
- The long term mental, social and financial health of all these individuals and the State requires that a balance be struck between the "at risk" group, and the majority
- This means that we will continue to protect the vulnerable people as best we can, but also relaxing restrictions so that others can carry out the essential activities we all need
- I'll also add that no one is stopping anyone from maintaining a self imposed isolation if they feel more comfortable and secure by doing so, and no one is going to think less of them either

But, as I said at the start, somewhere along the road it seems that many have lost the ability to look at a situation for themselves, apply some common sense and accept personal responsibility for their own actions and safety generally - instead waiting for "someone else" to do it for them, regardless of whether that person is any more qualified to do so than they are.

This phase of the lockdown is coming to an end. Not because anyone is underestimating this virus, but because the Government and advisors realise that a balance NEEDS to be struck for the benefit of us ALL.

But as someone else said above, I do worry about how some will reconcile this uncomfortable truth with what they've been "conditioned" to believe online or from endless media coverage on this topic. I'm not being funny either. I think some will genuinely struggle to adapt to what they see as wild and reckless actions.

Idbatterim

In Denmark there is a proposal to implement a minimum grocery spend to stop more frequent trips , not a bad idea , could have it at twenty Euro etc

celt262

I'm after a good few drinks would I be qualifed to post here now?

Spencer Brown

Seems as though we might have a few credible alternative parties in here lads. When's the next GE?

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the #lockdownforever party.

Much preferable to being a member of the #nothing to see here otherwise known as the #heads in the sand party.

Cupatae

easypazz wrote: »

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the #lockdownforever party.

You are listening to Radio Reeeeality! Normal life as you know it wont be resuming for quite some time! instead you will have a slightly relaxed la la la la you guessed it! LOCK -TO THE- DOWN! ENJOY!

alwald

easypazz wrote: »

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the #lockdownforever party.

After few beers I decided to abandon watching money heist tonight just to read these posts

Spencer Brown

easypazz wrote: »

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the #lockdownforever party.

They're going into coalition with the #Presentingmydreamsasfacts party

Cork Boy 53

lastusername wrote: »

They won't lift the 2km limit on May 5, it'll be stuff like letting out those who have been cocooning, opening certain low-risk stores like DIY stores, etc.

Absolutely no way will this happen so soon. The people in those categories will be the last to have the restrictions eased.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

There will be no sporting events taking place until the autumn at the earliest and even then only behind closed doors.

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of the #lockdownforever party.

Spencer Brown

Cupatae wrote: »

What do we do if they ease the restrictions in May and it all goes wrong? what do we do then?

This is why it will be done slowly, lift a few restrictions, lots of rapid testing on suspected cases, reassess, lift more restrictions/do nothing, repeat at 2 week intervals for as long as it takes to get back to normal.

Cork Boy 53

reg114 wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that the 2km limit will be lifted from May6th. This will enable more movement. Many businesses will be given the choice of whether they want to open but that would be up to individual businesses. There will however be continued restrictions on gatherings of more than a few people. So I would say the opening of pubs, cinemas, larger restaurants and any sporting events would all be prohibited at least until the beginning of June.

If they dont get this right we will see a second wave of infections, another peak and we'll all be under lockdown again, so its up to people not to take the pi$$.

There will be no sporting events taking place until the autumn at the earliest and even then only behind closed doors.

Cupatae

pgj2015 wrote: »

we can worry about that IF it happens.

So no idea then?

pgj2015

Cupatae wrote: »

What do we do if they ease the restrictions in May and it all goes wrong? what do we do then?

we can worry about that IF it happens.

Cupatae

What do we do if they ease the restrictions in May and it all goes wrong? what do we do then?

lastusername

They won't lift the 2km limit on May 5, it'll be stuff like letting out those who have been cocooning, opening certain low-risk stores like DIY stores, etc.

BanditLuke

easypazz wrote: »

You are right about one thing...we will be in after hours for sure.

Not miserable, but drunk.

Shut up, I'm off the booze for the year. No drinking stories.

lastusername

Good news here, things are moving along - Oxford scientists are already mass-producing a vaccine...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-scientists-start-mass-producing-vaccines-while-trials-are-still-under-way-11974920

Cupatae

reg114 wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that the 2km limit will be lifted from May6th. This will enable more movement. Many businesses will be given the choice of whether they want to open but that would be up to individual businesses. There will however be continued restrictions on gatherings of more than a few people. So I would say the opening of pubs, cinemas, larger restaurants and any sporting events would all be prohibited at least until the beginning of June.

If they dont get this right we will see a second wave of infections, another peak and we'll all be under lockdown again, so its up to people not to take the pi$$.

As soon as the restrictions are half eased people will be in full flow of taken the piss, wait and see the crowds out for picnics at beaches ect... i genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see another lockdown.

They may aswell just scrap the lot of the restrictions... and say if ya can be bolloxed lads wash ur hands and stay 2 m apart, other than that sesh on.