Relaxation of restrictions

showpony1 wrote: »

if a young child is taken out of school for say 18 months in their formative years will they ever be able to reach full intellectual capabilities?

It depends on what they are doing /reading outside school. How much encouragement they get to be inquisitive and develop their interests.

showpony1

if a young child is taken out of school for say 18 months in their formative years will they ever be able to reach full intellectual capabilities?

pjohnson

robinph wrote: »

I mentioned siblings in other classes in previous posts.

Put on more busses to keep kids separated on the way to school if needed.. There are plenty of empty buses sitting ariund at the moment as people are not travelling or using public transport.

Come up with solutions rather than problems.

But if you want things open then the buses wont be sitting empty as they will be back in use??

They are only sitting empty now because of reduced service.....

Come up with a half decent solution not riddled with problems maybe?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

robinph wrote: »

Not claiming that it is going to be easy, but everything in the economy getting going in any meaningful way again relys on schools being opened back up first.

It's about finding that balance between opening various sectors of the economy bit by bit while maintaining control over the various.

To date if we take all countries that were hit quite significantly by C-19, the only country that managed it well is China (Wuhan) and it didn't involve opening schools or businesses until they were in control of the virus and its spread.

Learning from other EU countries that started opening schools/businesses will be quite interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIseouW2FE8

Just to stop and pause for a second - I found this relly moving.

marizpan wrote: »

I think the poster was referring to recent findings in Iceland that was published in Nature.

The New England Journal of Medicine published a large-scale COVID-19 diagnostic testing effort in Iceland, which found that 43% of positive cases had reported no symptoms at the time of testing. The study also found very low rates of infection in children under 10 years of age.

source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-020-00011-3?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nm%2Frss%2Fcurrent+%28Nature+Medicine+-+Issue%29

Thank you for your link, quite informative indeed and recent as well:

As of April 4, a total of 1221 of 9199 persons (13.3%) who were recruited for targeted testing had positive results for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Of those tested in the general population, 87 (0.8%) in the open-invitation screening and 13 (0.6%) in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. In total, 6% of the population was screened. Most persons in the targeted-testing group who received positive tests early in the study had recently traveled internationally, in contrast to those who tested positive later in the study. Children under 10 years of age were less likely to receive a positive result than were persons 10 years of age or older, with percentages of 6.7% and 13.7%, respectively, for targeted testing; in the population screening, no child under 10 years of age had a positive result, as compared with 0.8% of those 10 years of age or older. Fewer females than males received positive results both in targeted testing (11.0% vs. 16.7%) and in population screening (0.6% vs. 0.9%). The haplotypes of the sequenced SARS-CoV-2 viruses were diverse and changed over time. The percentage of infected participants that was determined through population screening remained stable for the 20-day duration of screening.

Not claiming that it is going to be easy, but everything in the economy getting going in any meaningful way again relys on schools being opened back up first.

robinph wrote: »

So what is the alternative then?

I would give you one if it was simple, obvious or if I was an expert in the field.
I am waiting for the government's road map to see their solutions to all these issues.

KiKi III wrote: »

I’m all for solutions rather than problems. It does seem like in this case the most effective solution is to keep kids at home until September at least.

So how then do you solve the problem of parents not being able to go to work?

KiKi III

robinph wrote: »

I mentioned siblings in other classes in previous posts.

Put on more busses to keep kids separated on the way to school if needed.. There are plenty of empty buses sitting ariund at the moment as people are not travelling or using public transport.

Come up with solutions rather than problems.

I’m all for solutions rather than problems. It does seem like in this case the most effective solution is to keep kids at home until September at least.

pjohnson wrote: »

Robin has also not seemed to account for siblings. What if "Child A" has siblings? You could branch this out even more and have multiple Child A's from a single household infecting multiple B's.....robinh has also never mentioned/thought of a school bus which could lead to any Child A potentially causing a hell of a lot of trouble across multiple schools.

I mentioned siblings in other classes in previous posts.

Put on more busses to keep kids separated on the way to school if needed.. There are plenty of empty buses sitting ariund at the moment as people are not travelling or using public transport.

Come up with solutions rather than problems.

robinph wrote: »

Explain it to everyone else then if it's so simple and you can pretend that I'm too stupid to understand if it makes you feel better.

Thank you

khalessi wrote: »

It is very difficult to explain it to someone who does not understand the bascis so apologies that I cant chase you down your rabbit hole

Explain it to everyone else then if it's so simple and you can pretend that I'm too stupid to understand if it makes you feel better.

pjohnson

alwald wrote: »

So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues.

Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.

Robin has also not seemed to account for siblings. What if "Child A" has siblings? You could branch this out even more and have multiple Child A's from a single household infecting multiple B's.....robinh has also never mentioned/thought of a school bus which could lead to any Child A potentially causing a hell of a lot of trouble across multiple schools.

alwald wrote: »

So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues.

Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.

So what is the alternative then?

Spanish Eyes

Won't someone think of the teachers.

There is no way social distancing can happen in a class of young kids ever.

I am not a teacher BTW but totally empathise with them in these circumstances. Young kids may not suffer like older or compromised people do, but they could be carriers just the same.

September is the earliest that schools will reopen IMO. And even then teachers will be brave to face the snots and tears of their primary school students. Same for Secondary too I'd imagine without the tears lol.

I wouldn't do it for love nor money, so kudos to those who will.

pjohnson

khalessi wrote: »

Please explain comment nieces were swabbed

It was sarcasm. Doctors and any test results are irrelevant to some.

They still claim children dont get it as an absolute fact despite what ACTUAL tests say.

marizpan

alwald wrote: »

Newborns have it in case you aren't aware and there is no information on the HSE/WHO websites stating that kids don't contract the virus.
Any links showing otherwise are welcome.

I think the poster was referring to recent findings in Iceland that was published in Nature.

The New England Journal of Medicine published a large-scale COVID-19 diagnostic testing effort in Iceland, which found that 43% of positive cases had reported no symptoms at the time of testing. The study also found very low rates of infection in children under 10 years of age.

source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-020-00011-3?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nm%2Frss%2Fcurrent+%28Nature+Medicine+-+Issue%29

Cyrus wrote: »

theres evidence that very few kids contract it in the first place, similar to SARs. so you might be overegging it.

Newborns have it in case you aren't aware and there is no information on the HSE/WHO websites stating that kids don't contract the virus.
Any links showing otherwise are welcome.

Professor Moriarty

Cyrus wrote: »

theres evidence that very few kids contract it in the first place, similar to SARs. so you might be overegging it.

That's interesting and would be very welcome. Would you have a link?

Cyrus

alwald wrote: »

So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues.

Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.

theres evidence that very few kids contract it in the first place, similar to SARs. so you might be overegging it.

alwald wrote: »

So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues.

Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.

Just to add you are contagius 2 days prior to showing symptoms

robinph wrote: »

If a parent shows symptoms then it might then be too late to stop it having been passed to their kids, and other kids in the class, but is probably soon enough to stop it being passed on from the other parents in the class to further groups by their commuting and work activities.

Not foolproof admittedly, but does get people back to work which is only really possible if schools reopen.

So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues.

Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.

alwald wrote: »

The transmission of the disease starts few days before any symptoms are shown hence my original comment.

If a parent shows symptoms then it might then be too late to stop it having been passed to their kids, and other kids in the class, but is probably soon enough to stop it being passed on from the other parents in the class to further groups by their commuting and work activities.

Not foolproof admittedly, but does get people back to work which is only really possible if schools reopen.

robinph wrote: »

Who have these kids spread it to? Are they asymptomatic as well? If any parent shows symptoms then you can let the rest of the class parents know and get them to isolate and revert to working from home or take forced sick leave.

If you want the world to continue functioning then you need to come up with solutions, not cower in a corner until it's all over complaining that it's too difficult.

It is very difficult to explain it to someone who does not understand the bascis so apologies that I cant chase you down your rabbit hole