robinph wrote: » Kids mixing with the same group of 30 other people each day, and in an environment where they can monitor their health relatively easily if they want to, and where those people are all generally from the same approximate location, is far less risky than an adult being crammed into public transport with a bunch of random people, then hanging out in an office, then in a pub with another bunch of random people or on some more public transport with a completely different set of random people. One kid might pass it to another kid easily, but that is far easier to trace than who any adult has had contact with during their week.
KiKi III wrote: » Class time seems fairly easy to manage to me; separate desks and hand sanitizer every time you line up. Hard to see how you’d manage breaks though.
KiKi III wrote: » Hard to see how you’d manage breaks though.
retro:electro wrote: » They touched on this on Prime Time last night and its the reason Sweden have not closed primary schools or crèches yet. They had some immunologist on talking about it and apparently there is a theory that adults are more likely to infect children with this virus than the other way around.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Thanks I didn’t see that . I am not disputing the fact that kids can spread it just not convinced they are the deadly spreaders people are saying with no basis
skallywag wrote: » Yeah, that's by far your bigger problem I'd say. Unless playing etc. was just banned and the kids had to sit at their seats during break time ...
khalessi wrote: » One of the issues with kids is that if they get it, they are asymptomatic so they could have passed it on, get over it and get on with life meanwhile having spread it to a number of other chldren the majority of which will be asymptomatic and so on. Hence tracing not so easy
iamwhoiam wrote: » Staggered starting times , half the class in one day , half another . Outdoors classes when possible , hand sanitizer every hour Parents asked to teach hygiene and teachers showing a video every morning It takes Organization and time but it’s not impossible .
alwald wrote: » Those kids being asymptomatic will spread it to those same adults you mention taking public transport and hanging in pubs which will make tracing literally impossible.
robinph wrote: » Sure it is. One of the kids will have got it from a parent in the first place, they know which kids are in the same class, trace that through to the rest of the parents of that class. If individual schools or classes need to be shut down for a couple of weeks at a time then that's what happens, if that needs to be extended to forced working from home or "sick leave" due to one of the other kids parents in your kids class being diagnosed then that's what needs to happen. It's probably the only way that anything happens for the next couple of years without things just staying as they are at the moment. It's extreme and will be complicated to administer, but what is the alternative?
khalessi wrote: » Well the parents want the schools open as they want to go back to work so who minds them when not in school?
khalessi wrote: » When you understand about what asymptomatic spread is, come back to me.
robinph wrote: » Who have these kids spread it to? Are they asymptomatic as well? If any parent shows symptoms then you can let the rest of the class parents know and get them to isolate and revert to working from home or take forced sick leave. If you want the world to continue functioning then you need to come up with solutions, not cower in a corner until it's all over complaining that it's too difficult.
robinph wrote: » ........ If you want the world to continue functioning then you need to come up with solutions, not cower in a corner until it's all over complaining that it's too difficult.
robinph wrote: » Only if the parents that they spread it to are also by some fluke also all asymptomatic. If a parent gets ill you can send a notification out to all the other parents of their kids class to isolate. The kids and their parents are an easily identifiable chain of people. The moment one of the parents gets on the bus to work it becomes impossible to trace.
alwald wrote: » The transmission of the disease starts few days before any symptoms are shown hence my original comment.
robinph wrote: » If a parent shows symptoms then it might then be too late to stop it having been passed to their kids, and other kids in the class, but is probably soon enough to stop it being passed on from the other parents in the class to further groups by their commuting and work activities. Not foolproof admittedly, but does get people back to work which is only really possible if schools reopen.
alwald wrote: » So Child A passes the virus to child B who, being asymptomatic, passed the virus to his parents out of which one is working. The working parent spread the virus prior to any symptoms to 3 work colleagues who in turn, being symptomatic or not spread the virus to their own/family kids and the chain of events continues. Contact tracing becomes more and more difficult and the R0 rate will increase beyond the desirable level within weeks.
Cyrus wrote: » theres evidence that very few kids contract it in the first place, similar to SARs. so you might be overegging it.
alwald wrote: » Newborns have it in case you aren't aware and there is no information on the HSE/WHO websites stating that kids don't contract the virus. Any links showing otherwise are welcome.
khalessi wrote: » Please explain comment nieces were swabbed
