lainey_d_123 wrote: » You really, really need to learn how to read. His entire post is about the difference between types of masks.
Augeo wrote: » Wearing a non surgical mask won't reduce your chance of catching Covid19, regardless of your happiness level. But that does highlight a point, folk wearing non surgical masks feel they are protected when they actually aren't and are more likely to not follow the 2m guidance etc etc etc.
bladespin wrote: » I'm currently working at a customer site, a factory with over a thousand people, I'm not wearing a mask, I know I don't need one.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » There is a pretty big middle ground between 'don't buy all the masks and leave who need them most (healthcare workers) without them' and 'masks don't do anything if you're not sick'. Why do you keep arguing that the latter is true?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » No, they didn't. They pushed the lie that masks were useless, or even made things worse. A lot of people still believe that. It's clearly absolute bullsh1t.
Augeo wrote: » Oh my, you reckon there's no difference between a surgical grade mask and a cotton one? The guidance was clear, it's always been clear. You are being nothing but an argumentative pedant.
Wibbs wrote: » And now we're arguing over the type of mask. You do understand the concept of risk reduction I presume? HSE advice is to cough into a hanky and if you don't have one, cough into the crook of your arm to reduce the risk of spreading this virus, but a hanky strapped to your face covering your nose and mouth apparently does nada? In very basic order of declining risk, PP3 filters, PP2, surgical masks, homemade masks, nothing. Even a single layer of a homemade cotton mask will reduce large particle spread, which will reduce risk. It's getting pretty ridiculous now, but I would be largely in agreement with Lunchbrunch's angle on people and authority.
Augeo wrote: » A 3rd of confirmed cases of Covid19 in Ireland are health workers. No one said surgical masks are useless, they are no doubt not the magic mask that you think they are though.
Ace2007 wrote: » What is your definition of miniscule? 2.5% of those who have died in Ireland are under the age of 45.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » If the WHO admit that masks are useful in protecting others when you're sick, and that people in clinical settings can get protection from them, then how do those same masks suddenly turn useless when the general public (who may or may not be infected) wear them? Are they magic masks?
Wibbs wrote: » Clearly you didn't read my post and link to the current HSE advice. Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick. Unless you just want to uselessly argue petty semantics that's telling people not to bother as they're "unlikely to be of any benefit". But again are a benefit in a clinical setting.
Ace2007 wrote: » And your attitude appears to be like others, forget about the sick and elderly and let the rest of us get on with our lives, Healthcare workers in this country are dying from this virus, yet those in nursing homes settings are not being brought to hospitals. The stats released daily show the age groups of those in hospitals and a large % are under 65, i.e. those who should be working - by opening up the country in full as many posters want your going to increase the numbers under 65 who will get the virus and in turn end up needing hospital treatment, which in turn leads to greater risks for the healthcare workers - but who cares, if it means the economy gets back on its feet?
Augeo wrote: » I'm not trying to win anything, I'm posting what the official guidance was. Folk seem to reckon it was something different to what it actually was.
Ace2007 wrote: » What is your definition of miniscule?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Good God. Some people are really, really bad at reading between the lines. Did it not occur to you that the word 'waste' in there is a clue to their thinking when giving this advice?
Augeo wrote: » But no one said they were of no benefit? Who said they were of no benefit. Be specific and provide a link, with a quote.
is_that_so wrote: » This is not a topic on which you can win with evidence or official guidance. Some people very strongly support the wearing of masks and believe we all should. In the absence of mandatory instructions it's really each to their own.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » You're missing the point. A mask could be the difference between someone coughing near you resulting in infection or not. I'm sure everyone realises they're not 100% effective, but they do reduce risk and ease the mental strain of worrying every time you leave the house. I live in London. I left the house at 6.30 this morning to go for a light jog/walk within 1km of my home. Do you know how many people I came across in half an hour? Over 50. Not counting those on the road on bikes or in cars. Fella walking a dog came round the corner and coughed in my face, basically, nothing covering his mouth. I go to the shop as soon as it opens at 7am and there are always at least 10 people in there. It just takes one cough or unexpected sneeze and that could be it - infected. It might be pointless to wear a mask if you live in the arse end of Cavan and are only likely to meet cows on your walk. If you live in a densely populated urban area, it's not pointless at all.
Hooked wrote: » This is exactly my thinking! We can't go on with 'lockdown' for months on end. A vaccine could be 1.5 years away. People need to learn to live with the virus, stay in tight family groups. No stranger interaction. 2M distance at work, shopping, everywhere. Practice good hygiene. Use common sense. Limit the spread. INDEFINITELY! Big sporting events and pubs/air travel are going to need a different approach. You don't refuse to drive in case someone crashes into you - or because you hit someone. You drive, adhering to the rules of the road and use common sense! Living with Covid-19 should be the same. Adapt & carry on with new ways of doing things. By 5th May - we'll have had near 2 months to build "capacity". Time to get us back to work and living somewhat 'free' lives.
Augeo wrote: » No, the following are the key words "The World Health Organisation advises people should wear a mask only if they are ill with Covid-19 symptoms, especially coughing, or looking after a person with the virus."
Wibbs wrote: » And I was wearing one too? Significantly happier than not. ..................
bladespin wrote: » Standard masks are for containment, that's about it, it's a useful way of slowing the spread, would you happily stand side by side with a person who had Covid-19 but who was wearing a mask? High filtration masks are only needed if you're in a 'concentrated' area, ie spending a lot of time in very close proximity to infected/possibly infected people, hence the need in medical (very clearly from the recent news). But you most definitely do not need one for a trip to the shop, or in an open working environment. I can say this quite happily as someone who regularly works in bio hazard areas (which can contain nasties that would make Covid look like a runny nose).
Augeo wrote: » Yawn.......... The World Health Organisation advises people should wear a mask only if they are ill with Covid-19 symptoms, especially coughing, or looking after a person with the virus. “If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill, then you are wasting a mask,” its guidance bluntly states.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Yes, the key word here being WASTING. When masks are in short supply, then people panic buying them is obviously going to result in problems for medical staff and those at highest risk. That doesn't mean wearing a mask is useless or dangerous, it means that those who need them more should get priority. Why is it so hard to grasp? Are you so Western centric that you think all the Asian countries who insist people wear masks if they're out in public are doing it for the craic?
bladespin wrote: » Standard masks are for containment, that's about it, it's a useful way of slowing the spread, would you happily stand side by side with a person who had Covid-19 but who was wearing a mask?
High filtration masks are only needed if you're in a 'concentrated' area, ie spending a lot of time in very close proximity to infected/possibly infected people, hence the need in medical (very clearly from the recent news). But you most definitely do not need one for a trip to the shop, or in an open working environment.
Wibbs wrote: » So of no benefit, even a waste in reducing risk among the community, a community that harbours a large enough percentage of asymptomatic infected, but again magically transforms into a risk reducer in someone with the virus and those looking after them? Fierce fancy smart masks these are.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » The percentage of people dying from this under the age of 40 is miniscule. This was shown yesterday on this very thread. It sounds like you want to engage in scaremongering in order to continue with the restrictions.
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