eddie73 wrote: » Lets not lose the run of ourselves yet. While I agree that their restrictions are slack and could be better, you have to divide their death rate by 2 to get the island of Ireland average. we are doing somewhat better, but not by a hell of a lot. Today they took a hammering. 170 deaths is a lot. Lets see at the end of the month how they look. Its a big gamble. Should they be doing this? who knows. To say that the hard left has disregard for the elderly is a strange statement.
biko wrote: » The Swedish really can't lose with their current tactic. If they fall below the European average death rate they will be lauded. If they fall on average, or maybe a tad high, they will be lauded because they didn't lock down. If they end up much higher they will just claim "we tried to save our economy". If they continue to not test, and not report all the cases, they will probably come out of this looking pretty good. The old folks would probably have died of other causes and the celebs that died will be martyrs somehow. The government have managed to shield itself, fronting with the FHM who can easily be thrown under the bus should things go pear-shaped. The best site is c19.se which aggregates the numbers continuously, not just once a day.
niallo27 wrote: Well they lose if they have tens of thousands of deaths like most models are predicting but for some reason has not materialized as of yet.
Bushmaster64 wrote: » Clearly obvious now that Sweden have ballsed it up. By far the worst of the Scandinavian countries. More deaths than any other country compared to the number of cases. I mean maybe we didn't expect left wing Sweden to sacrifice their older population with such disregard, but it's always been a bit of an odd country. They might just have said "feck it" take the hit on deaths, the health system can cope with the cases and at the end of it all their economy may be the best in Europe. The hard left have sometimes shown disdain toward older people, maybe that's at play here.
niallo27 wrote: » Using rate of infection is wrong, it's all about deaths and icu numbers. For example by using postive cases, sweden has the same number per population as norway or denmark. Limited lockdown but same chance of testing postive.
Bushmaster64 wrote: » How much bigger is Sweden than Ireland? Ireland has much more of a dense population than Sweden and still doing better than them. Lots of left wing Sweden lovers are going to be very disappointed at the end of all this to see how the poster child for 'caring' socialism put the economy ahead of the people.
cgcsb wrote: » I suppose it frees up more social housing units
if old people die there will be jobs opened up
think about all the apartments that will be vacated when the old folks die. I'm beginning to think this virus is God's gift to millennials and Gen Z
The Swedish really can't lose with their current tactic. If they fall below the European average death rate they will be lauded. If they fall on average, or maybe a tad high, they will be lauded because they didn't lock down. If they end up much higher they will just claim "we tried to save our economy".
In a sense yes, and a freelance reporter for Sweden television couldn't be happier that old folks die
Deaths in the corona virus are measured in various ways around the globe, but no one can measure as accurately as Sweden, according to state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell.
biko wrote: » 1347 dead out of 12672 reported cases 10.6 death rate
biko wrote: » In case anyone wonders if Sweden is doing something wrong, they are better than others.https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vasabladet.fi%2FArtikel%2FVisa%2F363858
2u2me wrote: » If their testing is not good no point using that.
biko wrote: » You must have missed my post so I quoted it for you. Sweden is measuring better than anyone else. Don't doubt Sweden again
Memnoch wrote: » That article is behind a pay wall. Can you please post the relevant bits which shows how they are accurate? Last week they had done 54,700 tests. Currently they are at 74,600. So that is about 20,000 tests in one week. We are criticizing the UK for not doing that many in one day. In comparison, Norway have conducted 130,000 tests.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ From an outsider's perspective they seem to be under testing severely.
wakka12 wrote: » I think the article refers to Swedens reporting of deaths specifically
"We do not have a strategy that aims at herd immunity at all" Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde
"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell
"We don't have a choice, we have to close Stockholm right now," said Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, Professor of Microbial Pathogenesis at the Karolinska Institute. "We must establish control over the situation, we cannot head in to a situation where we get complete chaos. No one has tried this route, so why should we test it first in Sweden, without informed consent?" she said.
Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist, insists that Sweden's approach still seems to make sense, though he also acknowledges that the world is in uncharted territory with the virus. He argues that while Sweden might have more infections in the short term, it will not face the risk of a huge infection spike that Denmark might face once its lockdown is lifted.
Lars Ostergaard, chief consultant and professor at the Department of Infectious Diseases at Aarhus University Hospital in Denmark, agrees it is too soon to know which approach is best. "Every day a person is not being infected because of the strict lockdown, we are a day closer to a cure," Ostergaard said, underlining the advantage of the Danish approach. But he acknowledges that the long-term consequences of a locked-down community could also be "substantial." "There is no right or wrong way," Ostergaard said. "No one has walked this path before, and only the aftermath will show who made the best decision."
growleaves wrote: » I didn't say they do. Air pollution is a risk factor for victims of respiratory diseases hence it affects how many people will end up in ICU, and it differs between countries.
Pointless abuse.
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