Ace2007 wrote: » Where did i say we should lock everybody down? I replied to a poster who basically said they want to get back to normal. Let's look at your parents, what happens if one of those was in a nursing home - and they won't be allowed visitors for the next 6+ months, and you weren't allowed bring your children to visit them until the vaccine comes out - would yo be ok with that? Having say your mother alone in the house with no family contact, and your farther in a nursing home away from his loved ones indefinatly?
Ace2007 wrote: » You can't ask doctors and nurses to work indefinitely either - but that's what your proposing, - another poster wants a tent build outside hospitals, lifting restrictions too early could lead us to being worse than Italy and Spain. And the exact same posters would slate the government if that happens. You look at restrictions abroad and you look at them here - no wonder are rates are rising - you need to be very naive if you think we are in a restrictive state and "lock down". We have posters on here living in Italy and Spain telling us what it's like in real life over there and how lax the restrictions are here. But in reality - you don't care about that, you just want to get back to normality - but wait you want the sick, vulnerable, elderly and everyone associated with them to put their lives on hold - so that the hospitals etc don't get overrun.
Augeo wrote: » I'm working in a plant that's deemed essential, it's still open. Maybe 500 on site daily compared to 1500 ish prior to Covid19. We can see clearly on site how proper implementation of the 2m thing etc can actually work. Most folk on site are doing the shopping and going home to wife/husband/other half/kids and there's been no case of Covid19 on site since the lockdown. If you've a cold, cough, sniffle etc you don't come in, you'll be told to fook off home fairly lively if you do venture in. There is plenty that can be done to ease restrictions and get folk back to work without risking an increase in cases. There's going to be a few thousand new cases every week/10 days for the foreseeable future and all going well ICU can cope with that as more ICU spaces come on stream. I've been within 2m of no one for more than a few minutes at work or shopping since this March 17th ish. GF is working from home and goes for groceries and calls into work maybe once a week. If essential work can continue and abide by the rules there's plenty non essential stuff that can go on too, folk will need to buy into it though, and I think they will.
Idbatterim wrote: » The fifth of may , why pull that date out of their ass? building and building suppliers etc, the entire industry supporting several hundred thousand jobs, should he reopened tomorrow, its lunacy!
completedit wrote: » The thing about easing the restrictions. So much of the jobs that have been lost are in sectors that have environments that would just allow the virus to spread wildly again. I think once we ease up the restrictions a little, we will see we are facing down the barrel of the gun.
Ace2007 wrote: » What i'm suggesting is that everyone should be treated equally - so you lift restrictions gradually in a way that everyone can live a less restrictive life. What i read on here, is that we lift restrictions so that the "healthy" can get back to normal, while the vulnerable continue to isolate and wait for a vaccine. I read a poster for instance suggesting that pubs do a over 70's time in the day - like Tesco have - that's thinking positively - including everyone in society.
easypazz wrote: » They have gone full in. Its an all or nothing shot. If things are still bad the plan has failed and no point continuing. If they need to extend by a week, and simultaneously that A, B and C will definitely open after that, followed by D, E and F another week or two later then people might accept a short extension. Eventually announcing 20 people median age 84 died today will not get much attention.
polesheep wrote: » Your posts perfectly illustrate why governments got this so very wrong. Lockdown for one means lockdown for all.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Are the workforce there wearing masks or any type of PPE?
Ace2007 wrote: » The "lock down" may have failed to flatten the curve as much as we would like, and maybe more restrictive measures are needed - which given all your posts is not something that you will accept - even though you know full well that we are no where near restrictive as other countries in the world.
Ace2007 wrote: » Maybe saying that more 20 year olds have died - would that get attention, we've been down the road of median too many times - but it doesn't really tell you anything other than 50% of those died over 84, 50% are less than 84, but the ordinary Joe Soap, thinks this means the average age of death is 84.
Ace2007 wrote: » T We have it reported now that 2 more healthcare workers have died - that's 3 so far, but again sure you don't care -
Ace2007 wrote: » If that's what you've taken from my posts....
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » If they were to be reopened tomorrow and as a result there was a spike in deaths and people needing ICU treatment then they would very shortly afterwards be shut down again. Whether you accept it or not that is the reality.
polesheep wrote: » You said, "What i'm suggesting is that everyone should be treated equally." Now unless I have a poor grasp of English...
bladespin wrote: » Not sure why they would need to, as long as proper distancing was maintained etc.
Ace2007 wrote: » but who cares, if it means the economy gets back on its feet?
easypazz wrote: » You are forgetting about testing. Test my family on Friday, results Saturday visit old folks home Sunday and parents house afterwards. Wear PPE in the nursing home if necessary. Its going to be all about compromise and working within the constraints. People who want to fly can be tested before they travel.
Wibbs wrote: » Because distancing isn't enough. It's free which helps, just like handwashing, but a cough can send snotters flying way beyond two metres, even loud speech can. I'm sure you've met one of those say it don't spray it, I want the news not the weather types in your life. This is why in Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, The Czech republic and nearly everywhere in the far East and now New York has a masks have to be worn in public regulation. They quite simply reduce risk and we should have had that here long ago, not the clearly contradictory bullsh1t from the HSE over their use in the community. Brought to you by the same people whose experts reckoned visiting old folks homes was grand and living with an asymptomatic covid contact was very low risk.
Deleted User wrote: » I have no doubt that the messaging re. face masks is only down to supply. If we all wear them, then there won’t be enough for front liners. As soon as there is enough supply, the advice will change and they will be mandatory, at least in environments where social distancing is difficult
Augeo wrote: » They always said that.
Ace2007 wrote: » And your attitude appears to be like others, forget about the sick and elderly and let the rest of us get on with our lives, Healthcare workers in this country are dying from this virus, yet those in nursing homes settings are not being brought to hospitals. The stats released daily show the age groups of those in hospitals and a large % are under 65, i.e. those who should be working - by opening up the country in full as many posters want your going to increase the numbers under 65 who will get the virus and in turn end up needing hospital treatment, which in turn leads to greater risks for the healthcare workers - but who cares, if it means the economy gets back on its feet?
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