Idbatterim wrote: » The fifth of may , why pull that date out of their ass? building and building suppliers etc, the entire industry supporting several hundred thousand jobs, should he reopened tomorrow, its lunacy!
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Are the workforce there wearing masks or any type of PPE?
Augeo wrote: » I'm working in a plant that's deemed essential, it's still open. Maybe 500 on site daily compared to 1500 ish prior to Covid19. We can see clearly on site how proper implementation of the 2m thing etc can actually work. Most folk on site are doing the shopping and going home to wife/husband/other half/kids and there's been no case of Covid19 on site since the lockdown. If you've a cold, cough, sniffle etc you don't come in, you'll be told to fook off home fairly lively if you do venture in. There is plenty that can be done to ease restrictions and get folk back to work without risking an increase in cases. There's going to be a few thousand new cases every week/10 days for the foreseeable future and all going well ICU can cope with that as more ICU spaces come on stream. I've been within 2m of no one for more than a few minutes at work or shopping since this March 17th ish. GF is working from home and goes for groceries and calls into work maybe once a week. If essential work can continue and abide by the rules there's plenty non essential stuff that can go on too, folk will need to buy into it though, and I think they will.
polesheep wrote: » Your posts perfectly illustrate why governments got this so very wrong. Lockdown for one means lockdown for all.
easypazz wrote: » They have gone full in. Its an all or nothing shot. If things are still bad the plan has failed and no point continuing. If they need to extend by a week, and simultaneously that A, B and C will definitely open after that, followed by D, E and F another week or two later then people might accept a short extension. Eventually announcing 20 people median age 84 died today will not get much attention.
Ace2007 wrote: » What i'm suggesting is that everyone should be treated equally - so you lift restrictions gradually in a way that everyone can live a less restrictive life. What i read on here, is that we lift restrictions so that the "healthy" can get back to normal, while the vulnerable continue to isolate and wait for a vaccine. I read a poster for instance suggesting that pubs do a over 70's time in the day - like Tesco have - that's thinking positively - including everyone in society.
completedit wrote: » The thing about easing the restrictions. So much of the jobs that have been lost are in sectors that have environments that would just allow the virus to spread wildly again. I think once we ease up the restrictions a little, we will see we are facing down the barrel of the gun.
Ace2007 wrote: » You can't ask doctors and nurses to work indefinitely either - but that's what your proposing, - another poster wants a tent build outside hospitals, lifting restrictions too early could lead us to being worse than Italy and Spain. And the exact same posters would slate the government if that happens. You look at restrictions abroad and you look at them here - no wonder are rates are rising - you need to be very naive if you think we are in a restrictive state and "lock down". We have posters on here living in Italy and Spain telling us what it's like in real life over there and how lax the restrictions are here. But in reality - you don't care about that, you just want to get back to normality - but wait you want the sick, vulnerable, elderly and everyone associated with them to put their lives on hold - so that the hospitals etc don't get overrun.
Ace2007 wrote: » Where did i say we should lock everybody down? I replied to a poster who basically said they want to get back to normal. Let's look at your parents, what happens if one of those was in a nursing home - and they won't be allowed visitors for the next 6+ months, and you weren't allowed bring your children to visit them until the vaccine comes out - would yo be ok with that? Having say your mother alone in the house with no family contact, and your farther in a nursing home away from his loved ones indefinatly?
Wibbs wrote: » From what I can see, here in Dublin suburbia anyway, restrictions are a lot less tight than even a few days ago...........
KrustyUCC wrote: » January 1st is only a day too I suppose Up to Midnight May 4th they will have got 54 days of restrictions or 7 weeks 5 days out of people The lockdown will have been 38 days or 5 weeks three days Doing really well folks just not well enough Flattening the curve but not enough Sure let's give it another two weeks Then one more to be sure Rinse and repeat Death by a thousand cutsYou can't keep the lockdown going indefinitely
easypazz wrote: » If that is the case it was a waste of time in the first place. There will be a backlash if they don't ease something on May 5th. No hope of them not relaxing things.
Cyrus wrote: » im not sure what point you are trying to make here, either we are all in lockdown in which case they are in the same scenario, or there is lifting of restrictions but those at risk are advised to take precautions to protect themselves. There isnt really another alternative, no matter what we do, unless we completely close our borders, we cant eradicate the virus, so there will be a risk.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Do we at any point remove restrictions, go back to normal life with distancing, and allow the virus to spread and the health service become overrun?
Ace2007 wrote: » For how long? What if you are living alone - would you continue to have no contact with your family - not meeting them in person etc? What if you were in your 90's, would you be like i want to live my life and see my friends while i can still can? Your making huge assumptions about a cohort of the population that you really have no idea. My point is quite simple, you shouldn't be asking another cohort of the population to do something that you aren't prepared to do yourself. i.e. vulnerable should say in until a vaccine becomes available - be that 6 months or 18, while i get on with my life as i want to go to the pub.
Downlinz wrote: » The majority will only be infected if we do absolutely nothing to mitigate it. China and South Korea are down to single digit numbers of cases per day with only a minuscule portion of their population infected.
Cyrus wrote: » if i was over 70 or vulnerable id be making the decision myself to limit my movements, its called self preservation.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It's frustrating but there are a significant proportion of them that live in abusive households and stay out of the house as much as possible for that reason. It's not always black and white but Travellers were never going to do what they were asked to do. It takes a certain amount of community mindedness and I just don't think Travellers have much community spirit towards settled people. It's just not part of their thinking.
