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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Nullzero. I writing this for you. Gerald Reitlinger, acknowledged to be one of the finest holocaust researchers in the world believes the holocust event took about 4 million + Jewish lives. I think his number it likely to be true.Another 2 million likely died from other causes (some i listed earlier) and immigration some fled before it got bad. Others take is 6 million murdered during the Holocust others have extended as high as 11 million. I do accept 6 million Jews disappeared from Europe after 1933. The 1933 census is legit ( no argument there) I don’t believe for a minute and call me racist if you like 6 million Jews got massacred in Poland and nowhere else. Any bit of exploration into this topic establishes the deaths camps opened for 1 to 2 years and then closed in 1942. So it’s Logistically impossible to gas 6 million Jews in just two years. Most people who never studied the holocaust, believe the death camps continued open till 1945, that’s a false memory, Hollywood is to blame for that. Auschwitz encampment was the only death camp still in existence in Poland early 1945, late 1944 German camp guards fled and left the prisoners to look after themselves. Many died in the camp too afraid and shocked to leave. End of day you can blame the Nazis for 6 million fleeing or taken from from their homes- but it not logical 6 million got murdered just in Poland.
nullzero wrote: » As long as we can agree that the net result is the same number of Jews dead(6 million) at the hands of the Nazis I have no problem.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I can agree the 6 million number disappeared is legit. What happened to 6 million? My point is you can't claim all 6 million after 1933 got killed by death squads, thrown in pits, and gassed.
nullzero wrote: » That is contrary to what the other posters are claiming you believe. I would assume you take exception to be misrepresented in this manner? The one ammendment I would make would make you be to change "dissappeared" to "died".
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Nullzero. I writing this for you. Gerald Reitlinger, acknowledged to be one of the finest holocaust researchers in the world believes the holocust event took about 4 million + Jewish lives. I think his number it likely to be true. Another 2 million likely died from other causes (some i listed earlier) and immigration some fled before it got bad. Others take is 6 million murdered during the Holocust others have extended as high as 11 million.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » So it’s Logistically impossible to gas 6 million Jews in just two years. Most people who never studied the holocaust, believe the death camps continued open till 1945, that’s a false memory, Hollywood is to blame for that.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » End of day you can blame the Nazis for 6 million fleeing or taken from from their homes- but it not logical 6 million got murdered just in Poland.
Dohnjoe wrote: » The reaching going on here is pretty hilarious You think you guys can meet in somewhere in the middle on Holocaust history? I've clearly been here too long as I can imagine PM's from Cheerful. "These guys are dicks, I'm willing to go to 4 mm Jews dead but no more, okay maybe 5, k?"
King Mob wrote: » There's a reason he's saying "disappeared" and not "died." You are doing some very creative misreading of his posts to avoid admitting his claims are holocaust denial. Firstly, the accepted figure is around 11 million people. (6 million Jewish people and 5 million other people from other persecuted minorities.) Saying "Four million + Jewish lives" is not accurate. It's Holocaust denial. No one claims that 6 million Jewish people were gassed. The figure of 6 million people comes from a combination of many different methods which include gassing in camps, gassing in specially made vans, shooting, starvation etc etc. This is a popular canard used by holocaust denialists. No. Nazis KILLED 6 million Jewish people.
nullzero wrote: » I take exception to the phrase "creative misreading" especially when coming from somebody who demonstrably has trouble comprehending things themselves.
King Mob wrote: » Yes, you say this. But I just pointed out examples of Cheerful making statements that you would classify as holocaust denial. The reason he is saying "Disappeared" and not "Died" is because he doesn't believe that 6 million Jewish people died in the holocaust. He believes the number is closer to 2-3 million and that 3 million more Jews fled (or otherwise disappeared). Again, if this is not accurate, I welcome correction.
nullzero wrote: » I take exception to the phrase "creative misreading" especially when coming from somebody who demonstrably has trouble comprehending things themselves. If you can't sort this discussion properly I suggest yourself and Cheerful spring take it to pm and allow the thread to go back on topic.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I did have an opinion the Holocaust event caused about 3 to 4 million deaths.
nullzero wrote: » To clarify, 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. Striving to accurately describe the mode of death for all of them is acceptable. Saying a few million less died in total isn't.
nullzero wrote: » Yes I would agree that rounding the number of deaths in the holocaust down is holocaust denial. I haven't stated anything contrary to that at any point.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Holocust is killing of Jews by gassing and death squads there nothing in between!
The Holocaust was the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its allies and collaborators.
Jewish Loss by Location of Death With regard to the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust, best estimates for the breakdown of Jewish loss according to location of death follow: Location of Death Jewish Losses Auschwitz complex (including Birkenau, Monowitz, and subcamps) approximately 1 million Treblinka 2 approximately 925,000 Belzec 434,508 Sobibor at least 167,000 Chelmno 156,000–172,000 Shooting operations at various locations in central and southern German-occupied Poland (the Government General) at least 200,000 Shooting operations in German-annexed western Poland (District Wartheland) at least 20,000 Deaths in other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps at least 150,000 Shooting operations and gas wagons at hundreds of locations in the German-occupied Soviet Union at least 1.3 million Shooting operations in the Soviet Union (German, Austrian, Czech Jews deported to the Soviet Union) approximately 55,000 Shooting operations and gas wagons in Serbia at least 15,088 Shot or tortured to death in Croatia under the Ustaša regime 23,000–25,000 Deaths in ghettos at least 800,000 Other1 at least 500,000
King Mob wrote: » No cheerful, it's not. From The US Holocaust Memorial Museum:https://www.ushmm.org/learnhttps://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » The Nazis kept no evidences of squad killing and gassing!. You realise that, right? How did the arrive at those figures with no records? Who was counting? I know this stuff it too much for you think about? Wander off talking about something else.
nullzero wrote: » The last few posts would make wonderful PM's.
Dohnjoe wrote: » According to world historians the death toll is officially around 6 million (consensus estimates range from 5.5 to 6.2) So you are saying they are all wrong? Are these historians missing something that you know?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Like i said before. Gerald Reitlinger, acknowledged to be one of the finest holocaust researchers in the world, believes the holocaust event took about 4 million + Jewish lives.
King Mob wrote: » Believed. He's been dead for 42 years. His work is nearly 70 years old.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » "During the 1950s he wrote two books about the Holocaust: The SS: Alibi of a Nation and The Final Solution, both of which achieved large sales. In the latter book, he alleged that Soviet claims of the Auschwitz death toll being 4 million were "ridiculous", and he suggested an alternative figure of 800,000 to 900,000 dead; Now today is the accepted figure for Auschwitz 1 million. He knew the Soviet figures for the camps was propaganda in the 50s.
New Survey by Claims Conference Finds Significant Lack of Holocaust Knowledge in the United States ... The study also found significant gaps in knowledge about the Holocaust: Nearly one-third of all Americans (31 percent) and more than 4-in-10 Millennials (41 percent) believe that substantially less than 6 million Jews were killed (two million or fewer) during the Holocaust
King Mob wrote: » Again, go to the holocaust museums and explain where they've gone wrong. You can point to the 70 year old research and books (which you haven't read). I bet they've never heard of his work before. :rolleyes:
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I believe the holocaust happened. So what would be the point? I just be arguing about the estimates? Researchers do that anyway. .
Dohnjoe wrote: » Reitlinger, in 1953, estimated between 4.2 and 4.5 were killed. And even he admitted he didn't have all the data. You are claiming it was 2.5 to 3, why you agreeing with a historian who directly contradicts you?
King Mob wrote: » No, you don't do what researchers and actual historians do. You are a holocaust denier. You are denying actual research and replacing it with conspiracy theories you read from the internet. Why do you think the historians at the Holocaust museum have it wrong? Do you believe it's because you are a better historian than them? Do you know more than them?
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