Deleted User wrote: » Every crisis the PS get turned on. The last crisis the nurses took a hammering too from the public and independent news and media.
JimmyVik wrote: » Its always like a bear pit. Every Irish person is more than willing to hand the pain and suffering to someone else when times get hard. Look around, first thing in a crisis is always what other fuccer is going to pay for this who isnt me. Let me attack them.
Hulk Hands wrote: » I don't think this is true. Pubs and restaurants in Dublin (not including tourist areas) were reasonably full every night of the week prior to this. Galway was similar. The vast majority of the clientele is middle class workers. Coffee Shops never don't have a queue and deliveroo/just eat numbers are off the scale, even despite a backlash on fast food. I'd say well over half of middle class workers have a gym membership. While I think it's logical for property prices to fall, i'm cautious that it could be a slow process. Any person I know who was looking to buy in the short to medium term, is now WFH and having savings grow. Very easy for a couple earning a combined 100k to save 25k in this 6 month period. While jobs may not be certain into the future, I think there'll be plenty come the end of this year willing to take the chance with a decent deposit saved. Tech type jobs won't seem immediate risky to banks either. But obviously the market must correct itself in time, just might take a bit
fliball123 wrote: » Thats not true the bulk are not HSE employees there is a good % but there are more PS staff in non HSE rolls then there are working there, IE garda, teachers, civil servants etc.
The_Conductor wrote: » Health Sector 120,450 Education Sector 97,100 Civil Service 32,800 Local Authorities 29,600 Justice Sector 13,340 NCSA 13,200 Defence Sector 10,230 Total 316,720 WTE (at end of January 2020) Anyhow- I'm wandering miles off the remit of this thread.............
fliball123 wrote: » Not turning on them just saying the squeezed middle cant take this burden alone everyone even the sacred cows will have to pay as well
Brianmwalker wrote: » A couple with 6k income a month certainly can not VERY EASILY save over 4k a month.
Browney7 wrote: » Who do you want treating you when you're sick? Who do you want teaching your kids? Who do you want implementing public policy and legislation and collecting tax? Do you want the best accountants and legal professionals working in private sector avoiding tax or working within public sector to collect it? We struggle to keep doctors in this country. Young teachers all off to the middle East to actually get some cash together - hard to keep young teachers in Dublin and surrounding counties. People who choose these jobs at age 21 choose it for the lifestyle it can afford them - dramatically changing the rules of the game midway through will of course be resisted by the unions. Might make private sector jobs pay a bit less too if a major employer in the country starts to cut pay wholesale? The deal with joining the public sector is you'll never be rich but you should have enough for a reasonable standard of living. The salary model is an incremental scale - that's the deal on sign up. Yes they do pay for pensions via PRSI no different to private sector and the rolls Royce pensions alluded to were reformed to career average earnings in the last crash. There is a pension related deduction as well as spouses and children's and other pension deductions. Added to that, there is no specific employer contribution to a fund to safeguard their benefit so their pensions that they are paying for are nothing more than a promise that the government of the day at the time of your retirement will pay you (which in 30 years will not happen). If this anti PS nonsense comes back in the Corona fallout I hope it is fired in a rocket to the sun but highly unlikely. If they can capitalise on any property price declines then more power to them - many have been frozen out the past number of years so if they can better their lot than good for them.
Idbatterim wrote: in terms of taxation, nobody does idiotic taxation like this country, basically cream a huge amount of income tax and have an outrageous marginal rate, that stops enterpetise, people taking on extra hours or even results in them leaving the country. My opinion, introduce a proper council tax, every adult in the country pays, no exceptions! Wouldnt go near water charges again, no point unleashing ww3 if they only intend on it raising a pittance, which is what the prevous intention was...
Idbatterim wrote: Very good ronan lyons article below
Idbatterim wrote: Ronan Lyons: 'State is foregoing billions in revenue with low property tax' The more new homes are built, the less likely it is that the value of existing homes will soar, writes Ronan Lyons
Hulk Hands wrote: » Quick calc from a figure of 6k combined income, 1500 combined rent (nationally rather than Dub City Centre) and 600 combined spending. I'm spending about 75 quid a week currently and that's with frequent takeaways and alcohol. Maybe 25k is the upper limit but general point about it being easy build a decent lump stands
Idbatterim wrote: » there is a inbalance here between the PS and PS, thats not even up for debate. But you know what? all the public servants work though, they dont get their free houses and christmas bonus etc, medical card, the whole shebang! So when adjustments need to be made, I know where I would be making them! this is going off topic though! any way, in these dark times, at least those two churchtown properties gave me a good laugh!
fliball123 wrote: » So 6k out of this how much to you spend on the followingIncome tax PRSI USC Property tax ESB/Gas broadband/mobile phone Car tax/insurance/fuel/public transport medical/dental/pharmacy bills life insurance home insurance mortgage/rent Property fees Food Clothing Toll bridge The above for me would be all necessary spending and I wouldn't have a lot left out of 6k
fliball123 wrote: » So 6k out of this how much to you spend on the following Income tax PRSI USCProperty tax ESB/Gas broadband/mobile phone Car tax/insurance/fuel/public transport medical/dental/pharmacy billslife insurancehome insurance mortgage/rentProperty fees Food Clothing Toll bridge The above for me would be all necessary spending and I wouldn't have a lot left out of 6k
Dwarf.Shortage wrote: » The 6k p/m for someone earning 100k is net of the bolded categories
tastyt wrote: » This is because we have the usual nonsense from guards and nurses about earning 45k after 15 years or some other lies. They have a tough job but people are sick of them giving their wages without all their allowances which are all guaranteed and plenty of scope for overtime. Their basic salary probably accounts for 2/3 of the salary for public servants on 24 shift. Why can’t they just be honest about their take home pay and have an open conversation about it? Because it’s a lot more than they claim it is that’s why. Good opportunity for them to buy in the next few months though and I would never begrudge them a good standard of living , tough jobs, but well paid .
kevinc565 wrote: » why do they build such ugly houses?https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/brookside-blackrock-stillorgan-grove-blackrock-county-dublin/4413170 then they blight the area for 100 years until they are knocked.
Hubertj wrote: » unbelievable..... ugliest house i have seen in a long time...... basically no garden in a house they want €625k + for. Lovely area and a good house would be worth that price range but that thing...
kevinc565 wrote: » Agreed, teachers start on 40k yet their union reps go on TV stating that they start below 30k and you can't afford a house with that etc. Fact is teachers have the best graduate salaries in Ireland
Dylan94 wrote: » Post primary teachers start on just under €37,000 and are not entitled to any allowances that older teachers and those in other public sector jobs such as teachers and guards are entitled to. And that's only once you get a full time job which usually takes years after you graduate with a BA and a Masters degree. So 6 years in University. The argument that unions are making now is that they there should just be one pay scale and not based on weather you started before or after 2012. They are not looking for a pay rise for everyone, just the lower paid teachers.https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/#P2
The_Conductor wrote: » 550k? Fecking hell. Its a reasonable 1970s council house- but with a bad aspect (the back garden is easterly facing ffs). Property features: Electric Fire in Living Room........ Like what? If you actually click through- it does look nice- but 550k? Its not even 100m2- and the family selling have obviously outgrown it- how long before someone else would outgrow it? Utterly ridiculous price.
kevinc565 wrote: » New entrants start on point 4 of the scale. So they start on €41k
kevinc565 wrote: » why do they build such ugly houses?
kevinc565 wrote: » when it's ugly they show the sitting room as the front page on myhome -> they know it's ugly. It's very unfortunate for such a nice area. anyone that can afford these won't like the look at the house. All the 3 story houses these days are crap. You cant occupy the master bedroom on the top floor and leave young kids on the first floor. Ridiculous. So more waste of space housing that nobody wants. What idiot UCD architects are designing these?
