stephenjmcd wrote: » There seems to be more of a common theme now coming from the WHO and other governments that we can't live in this paralysed state while waiting for a vaccine that may or may not come and might not even work. The WHO themselves yesterday even said people will eventually have to live alongside the virus and take responsibility when it comes to personal hygiene. If anyone listens to the doctor from the WHO on rte radio yesterday he even mentioned that a social life, restaurants, bars, events etc will have to resume but if you feel unwell to stay home. For what it's worth I think we'll see a gradual lifting of restrictions from May right through until late July or August when the vast majority of places will be reopened.
BanditLuke wrote: » Then you will be putting peoples lives at risk. Support the HSE.
seamus wrote: » This my feeling too. We will develop a social stigma about sickness. In the same way that we'd never consider going to a social gathering with dirty clothes and stinking to high heaven, we will stay at home if we feel at all unwell. And likewise people who do wander around in public blowing their nose, coughing and spluttering will be treated with disdain and given a wide berth like someone with BO. We've all done it in the past, gone out with a bit of a cold, visited parents and relations even though we know we're not feeling the best. That will all come to an end, and we'll start to cop on and actually just take to bed for a few days until it's passed.
easypazz wrote: » There are a lot of people dying, so I don't think we can argue with them on that. Our outbreak was more likely Cheltenham and flights to Northern Italy for the ski season, from what I have seen.
KiKi III wrote: » Per your corrections, 15,000 deaths and 1,500 of them in young people over the next two years. Not as dramatic as my original miscalculation but still certainly not acceptable in a country the size of ours.
seamus wrote: » That would be like closing Drogheda for 10 weeks.
thebaz wrote: » can some one tell me why the number of deaths is not soaring in the developing world ?? I would have expected a disaster by now in those countrys, and yet it hasnt happened (thankfully)
KiKi III wrote: » What are you basing your opinion on? Because I haven’t heard a single person with qualifications in the field express your view? If that view was taken in the past we’d still be living with small pox and polio.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » No I don't. Vulnerable people who can't cocoon would be more likely to get it and more likely to experience acute symptoms and more likely to die - similar to how they are right now if they're living with family or can't cocoon for whatever reason.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Take to bed for a few days from what exactly? A head cold? I can see employers having something to say about that if employees decide to take time off work for that reason.
Pitch n Putt wrote: » It’s hard to know really when this semi lockdown will be lifted. From listening to the experts at daily briefings they want it to continue indefinitely. People are going around with absolute fear, people crossing the road to pass other people, older people afraid to even go out in their own back gardens. It’s been so much in the media now for the last 5 weeks it’s got people terrified and unable to comprehend that if the main points are adhered to -wash hands,social distancing etc life can go on. It’s a deadly virus to certain people in society and it’s not as serious to others but the fear has people believing if they get it that’s it for them. We can’t exist like this living in fear for the foreseeable future.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » But the difference now is only a small proportion of the family members of the vulnerable actually have the virus, and you're proposing these people should actively seek to become infected to achieve 'herd immunity'. So what happens to the vulnerable family members they are living with in that scenario? Do they just have to take their chances?
CtevenSrowder wrote: » No, but if they recommend that I have all my teeth removed because I have one cavity I wouldn't just "defer" to the experts. The situation we have now isn't scientifically black and white. Experts are there to guide policy, not make it. You've also got to bear in mind that the CMO may not be thinking of the country as a whole, but more so within his area (as expected). The government has to do the former.
Stateofyou wrote: » Sorry but that analogy is dumber than dumb. A Dentist, an expert trained in oral health, is not going to remove all your teeth because you have one cavity. The black and white thinking here is yours. :rolleyes:
CtevenSrowder wrote: » It wasn't my anology. I just added to it. Regardless what I said is not dumb. The point is just because someone is an expert it doesn't mean they should automatically be deferred to and not questioned.
Stateofyou wrote: » The scenario of a dentist pulling all your teeth due to one cavity is an example beyond logical thinking. I believe these experts and gov't leaders are questioned by journalists on the REGULAR.
seamus wrote: » It's complicated. Population density is an issue, but so too is access to healthcare and maintenance of records.
seamus wrote: » Employers won't have a choice. Forcing a sick employee to come to work will be made a very serious offence.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » But to be fair, if you live with a vulnerable person who should be cocooning, then the whole family unit needs to cocoon to stop the virus entering the house.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Yes, it is absurd, intentionally so, to drive home why experts shouldn't be automatically defered to, and why one should question and think for themselves.
Cyrus wrote: » what isnt clear is how many people are dying incrementally. a lot of people die every day, Covid19 or not. The reporting is deliberately obfuscating
facehugger99 wrote: » Over 60,000 people will die in Ireland naturally over 2 years - how many of your 15,000 deaths will be part of these deaths anyway. A huge amount given the demographics of the deaths at present I'd suggest.
Stateofyou wrote: » Literally no one is doing that. Everyone here is capable of and do think for themselves. Give over.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Have you been following the thread? Kiki when asked what she'd do in the future said she's defer to the experts. She doesn't yet know what the experts propose to do. That is blindly following. So literally she is doing that.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » That would be wide open to abuse including people with just a runny nose or a mild headache who could claim they were incapacitated. I know that happens as it is but those who abuse the current system would just feel empowered to do it more often.
Stateofyou wrote: » Just because Kiki, along with myself and MILLIONS of others who are thinking for ourselves and agreeing to comply and have decided to trust the experts guiding us because it makes sense to us, is not in any sense of the word BLINDLY following. It's now literally, the law. You are blindly choosing to not defer to experts who know better than you. See how that works?
