CtevenSrowder wrote: » No, but if they recommend that I have all my teeth removed because I have one cavity I wouldn't just "defer" to the experts. The situation we have now isn't scientifically black and white. Experts are there to guide policy, not make it. You've also got to bear in mind that the CMO may not be thinking of the country as a whole, but more so within his area (as expected). The government has to do the former.
KiKi III wrote: » What are you basing your opinion on? Because I haven’t heard a single person with qualifications in the field express your view? If that view was taken in the past we’d still be living with small pox and polio.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » But the difference now is only a small proportion of the family members of the vulnerable actually have the virus, and you're proposing these people should actively seek to become infected to achieve 'herd immunity'. So what happens to the vulnerable family members they are living with in that scenario? Do they just have to take their chances?
Pitch n Putt wrote: » It’s hard to know really when this semi lockdown will be lifted. From listening to the experts at daily briefings they want it to continue indefinitely. People are going around with absolute fear, people crossing the road to pass other people, older people afraid to even go out in their own back gardens. It’s been so much in the media now for the last 5 weeks it’s got people terrified and unable to comprehend that if the main points are adhered to -wash hands,social distancing etc life can go on. It’s a deadly virus to certain people in society and it’s not as serious to others but the fear has people believing if they get it that’s it for them. We can’t exist like this living in fear for the foreseeable future.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Take to bed for a few days from what exactly? A head cold? I can see employers having something to say about that if employees decide to take time off work for that reason.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » No I don't. Vulnerable people who can't cocoon would be more likely to get it and more likely to experience acute symptoms and more likely to die - similar to how they are right now if they're living with family or can't cocoon for whatever reason.
thebaz wrote: » can some one tell me why the number of deaths is not soaring in the developing world ?? I would have expected a disaster by now in those countrys, and yet it hasnt happened (thankfully)
seamus wrote: » This my feeling too. We will develop a social stigma about sickness. In the same way that we'd never consider going to a social gathering with dirty clothes and stinking to high heaven, we will stay at home if we feel at all unwell. And likewise people who do wander around in public blowing their nose, coughing and spluttering will be treated with disdain and given a wide berth like someone with BO. We've all done it in the past, gone out with a bit of a cold, visited parents and relations even though we know we're not feeling the best. That will all come to an end, and we'll start to cop on and actually just take to bed for a few days until it's passed.
seamus wrote: » That would be like closing Drogheda for 10 weeks.
KiKi III wrote: » Per your corrections, 15,000 deaths and 1,500 of them in young people over the next two years. Not as dramatic as my original miscalculation but still certainly not acceptable in a country the size of ours.
easypazz wrote: » There are a lot of people dying, so I don't think we can argue with them on that. Our outbreak was more likely Cheltenham and flights to Northern Italy for the ski season, from what I have seen.
BanditLuke wrote: » Then you will be putting peoples lives at risk. Support the HSE.
stephenjmcd wrote: » There seems to be more of a common theme now coming from the WHO and other governments that we can't live in this paralysed state while waiting for a vaccine that may or may not come and might not even work. The WHO themselves yesterday even said people will eventually have to live alongside the virus and take responsibility when it comes to personal hygiene. If anyone listens to the doctor from the WHO on rte radio yesterday he even mentioned that a social life, restaurants, bars, events etc will have to resume but if you feel unwell to stay home. For what it's worth I think we'll see a gradual lifting of restrictions from May right through until late July or August when the vast majority of places will be reopened.
GT89 wrote: » Also why should we listen to the "experts" now with this. Were these the same "experts" who believed a couple of months back this was nothing to worry about and we shouldn't restrict travel to and fro China.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Yeah that's very possible. It might be higher, we still don't know the mortality rate because we really only test people who almost certainly have it. Well only know when we can start testing the population as a whole and we'll really only know when there's an antibody test to count the people who have had it and have recovered. This is a deadly disease and we have to face up to that fact. Of there definitely was a vaccine coming but it would take a year to get to everyone, then I'd say we should wait. But there might never be a vaccine so we need to be proactive and work towards a managed herd Immunity.
Downlinz wrote: » Thinking the grass is greener from a different strategy is understandable but all available medical evidence and attempts from other countries suggests otherwise.
skallywag wrote: » We need to just turn to Italy see how information and predictions etc. change over time, as more statistics become available. E.g. at the beginning it was thought that it was really only effecting older folk, which has now been shown to be not correct, as many healthy young people have died from this. I am sure we will see the same as time rolls on in Ireland and we gather more and more data points.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » The HSE consultant on the AMA thread on this forum is predicting that even with the current level of restrictions remaining in place 10000 people will die as a result of the virus if an effective vaccine is not developed by then.
KiKi III wrote: » People who have been forced out of work are on €350/week. That includes me. And I haven't heard of anyone driven to starvation on that amount yet. You're being dramatic. People who can't afford Netflix can find a world of entertainment in YouTube absolutely free.
Spencer Brown wrote: » 3,000,000 x 0.005 = 15,000
KiKi III wrote: » I’m not *blindly* following anyone. I am choosing, with my eyes wide open, to defer to experts. When you go to the dentist, do you tell him/ her how to do their job? I think it’s exceptionally arrogant of some on here to think they know better than people who have spent their whole lives in these fields.
