KiKi III wrote: » As has been discussed at length on the thread, herd immunity requires 60% of the population to become infected, about 3 million people in Ireland's case. It is not and never has been the government's strategy to pursue herd immunity because even spread over two years (or five), 3 million cases would absolutely decimate our health system.
SusanC10 wrote: » Do you think that the 2km will be lifted before a Vaccine? I suppose I have been thinking that these restrictions will continue until there is a Vaccine but who knows ?
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » So if not 5th of May, what needs to happen statistically for you to be happy with easing restrictions? How long is too long?
KiKi III wrote: » I can. And having thought it through for myself I realised that I'm not a doctor or an epidemiologist or an economist so it's best to take my guidance from such people.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Can you not see her when the 2Km restrictions are lifted? You just have to maintain your social distance so no hugging for example as awful as it is.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Can you not think for yourself, no?
KiKi III wrote: » It's not at all. It's the truthful answer, and I've been consistent on it through the thread.
pgj2015 wrote: » could you not just go see her and wear a mask?
Stateofyou wrote: » Have you never heard of "flatten the curve?" The point is that if we all go back to normal, our health care systems will be overrun. More people will die, and even more people will suffer or die from knock on effect of being unable to be treated for whatever their health urgency is. It's about saving as many lives as possible, getting the spread under control in as much as possible for our health system to cope. Then we can look at re-opening with restrictions until we have a treatment/vaccine. What do you not understand about this very simple concept.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Yeah I think that's what we're doing right now. If we thought we could kill the disease we would have a complete month long stay at home order for everyone except medical staff. but that's very impractical as there might not be a month's supply of food for everyone. Instead, we're building up hospital capacity and trying to keep the rate of infection at or below hospital capacity. The only way through this is through a managed herd immunity over the course of the next year or two. As the rate of infection slows, they will reduce restrictions to speed up infections, then tighten restrictions to keep them manageable, then rinse and repeat until we have herd immunity
KrustyUCC wrote: » They can't keep extending the lockdown after that We can't run from the virus long term either as a vaccine might never work unfortunately
easypazz wrote: » And for a lot of people they won't be able for it, and so they are being let die because another section of society can be saved. We need to live with this, accept that it will kill people, the same as cancer and heart attacks kill people.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » So is everyone - that's kind of dodging the question, to be honest.
KiKi III wrote: » I'm proposing, as I have all along, that we follow the guidance of the public health experts. I'm very hopeful that some of the restrictions will be lifted on May 5.
KiKi III wrote: » I've talked at length about my own mental health issues and the fact that as a self-employed person I've lost a good portion of my business to Covid 19. So no, I don't think it's a bed of roses for anyone. What I have said repeatedly is that for most people it's doable. And I stand by that.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » That only works short term. At some point people need more human contact. How long are you proposing the lockdown lasts - or what do you think needs to happen - before ANY restrictions are eased? Because there seems to be a bit of confusion on that point.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » You're being asked to stay inside for a little while longer, we will all lose out a bit here, but the lockdown is saving lives. Things will go back to normal
easypazz wrote: » What if you can't afford Netflix, or to pay for the bin, or are struggling to pay for food because you have been forced out of work?
easypazz wrote: » What about people who can't afford phone credit, or can't afford to buy nice things to cook, or can't afford gas for the cooker because they have no money due to being forced out of work. You seem to think its all a bed of roses out there for people.
KiKi III wrote: » A lot of people on this thread might benefit from the 12 Step philosophy of taking a day at a time. What will the situation be in six months or a year? None of us know. Playing out worst-case scenarios or even overly optimistic best-case scenarios can play havoc with people's mental health. Try focusing mainly on today: What can you do to get through today and make it more bearable - organise a phone call with someone who always cheers you up, cook yourself something nice, get out in this beautiful weather for a walk if you can etc.
o1s1n wrote: » You'd swear we were all on the brink of running out of food the way you're going on. Pubic services are still running. Food is in plentiful supply. Bins are being collected. The internet is still working. Stick on some Netflix and order a pizza, and chill the **** out.
BanditLuke wrote: » It is more important to the obvious Gordon Gekko's in training here. Thankfully we have people in charge who think differently.
easypazz wrote: » It also costs lives. Some people keep ignoring this bit.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » All your posts just smack of ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. You're being asked to stay inside for a little while longer, we will all lose out a bit here, but the lockdown is saving lives. Things will go back to normal. A 67 year old man that lives on my street died from covid the other day, this isn't just a problem for 85 year olds.
GT89 wrote: » Having to stay in your home or stay within 2km of your house is not living it's surviving. Things like going to work, school, football matches, concerts, pubs, restaurants and on holidays are all an important part of life is a Western developed nation. Who wants to live under quarantine it's not being greedy.
