seamus wrote: » There is that. And the government needs to improve its messaging on this point. People's very legitimate worry is not that the bank is going to come knocking in the middle of the pandemic. But that they will have already played all their cards - deferred mortgage payments, eaten into savings, gotten a dig out from friends and family - and then the restrictions will be lifted and the institutions will come knocking for their money. But people will still have no jobs with which to pay it. The government's hope is that the supports they're providing to employers and the restoration of the hospitality industry will save most people. Even the IMF forecasts are predicting that Ireland's economic shock will be very sharp, but very short, with unemployment dropping 50% from 2020 to 2021. But that's a whole year of uncertainty. And the government need to put more reassurances in place that anyone left on the live register when this is over, won't be caught in the same mortgage arrears trap that many others did in the last recession. Perhaps a scheme that covers someone's mortgage interest for a full year while unemployed due to the crisis and an obligation on banks to allow a temporary transfer to interest-only. Balance that with an automatic entitlement to HAP without means testing to ensure that the same doesn't happen to renters who've been made unemployed. The purpose here is not to pretend that everything is OK and make everyone "whole" again. But to recognise that when the number of people hitting your safety net is tripling virtually overnight, then you need a bigger and more robust net. That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.
seamus wrote: » That's a glib way of dismissing people's very real need for human contact. Most people are not looking for a bag of cans on the beach or to go sunbathing in the park. They're yearning for the ability to go meet their friends, their parents and siblings, cousins and niblings, give them a hug, sit down and have a normal, human conversation.
SNNUS wrote: » Will you stop talking sense! We have to stay indoors for 2 years and everything will be fine...
niallo27 wrote: » For the 8th million time, it's not about going to the pub or the ****en beach its about being able to pay some bills in 3 months time.
KiKi III wrote: » That may be the case for you niallo, but there are plenty of others on the thread who have been clear that getting back to the pub, the beach, or the park is a priority.
BanditLuke wrote: » Our numbers of deaths and reported cases is climbing and hasn't peaked yet. If you think after these 3 weeks the government are going to listen to a few Gordon Gekko's wanna be's online instead of the health advisory board then i can't help you.
easypazz wrote: » Yes, thankfully they think that if we leave things shut much longer loads of people will die and they need to get the economy open.
easypazz wrote: » 100% If people have no money in August they won't be able to afford heat, or maintenance on their boiler and they will die from the cold. Or they won't be able to afford their house and end up depressed or homeless and die. Or people in abusive relationships will be absolutely in bits and die. Lots and lots of people will die either way.
is_that_so wrote: » We're all informed to a lesser or greater extent due to the excellent communication work of the CMO and HSE. He's an advocate, a very smart one pursuing his passion and one with very deep pockets but he will not deliver an actual solution or devise one like qualified experts do.
BanditLuke wrote: » Thankfully we have people in charge who think differently.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Pubs and restaurants open by mid June? You`re living in fantasy land if you think that will happen.
thomas 123 wrote: » Also on a personal note have some respect, the people who need to self isolate built this country and changed your backside.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Indeed. Makes you informed though.
pjohnson wrote: » Yeah majority of Irish people find life more important than money. As much as it annoys the greedy. Economy is simply not the priority.
[Deleted User] wrote: » At that stage the local pubs (if any are left), coffee shops, B&B, AIRBNB all along the Wild Atlantic Way will have stopped posting on Facebook for DUBS to go home and not serving them in their shops and petrol stations. They'll be screaming for them to return and spend their money. Its tourism that created and sustained the Wild Atlantic Way. Be careful what you wish for. There was too much hysteria about the Easter exodus which actually didn't happen. Too many curtain twitchers. Its Irish people that will help tourism recover in the short to medium term, many of them will be Dubs. (I'm not a Dub )
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Why isn't Nana being socially distant like the rest of us? And how do you know the mental strain of never seeing her family isn't going to kill her quicker than ten years? I know at least two people who said they'd rather see their grandkids every few weeks rather then not for another year even if it meant an earlier death.
Downlinz wrote: » The vast majority were staying at home but we had incidents like Cheltenham and "Sweet Caroline" in Temple Bar rendering the efforts mostly useless. Businesses all around the country such as cafes and restaurants were shutting unprompted because they had no customers. The lockdown was needed to restrict a small, troublesome section of society who weren't going to adjust their behaviour even slightly without the threat of criminal action. Those people would run amok again if things opened up but they're not in large enough numbers to support the economy as we saw in the weeks before the lockdown.
lord quackinton wrote: » The “war will be won” when we decide to let those who want to fight this virus go about their lives as normal Let those who want to isolate do so too We cannot ask that the large majority have their lives destroyed to protect the very small numbers who will die from this Surely even those at risk cannot be so selfish as to demand that 99% of Irish people accept economic depression the likes not seen since the Great Depression Time to open up
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Sorry Nana, but you have probably only ten years to live so you're too expensive to keep alive. Been nice knowing you and thanks for the memories. Bye.
Nermal wrote: » You're wrong. If that was the case, we wouldn't need a lockdown, would we? IMF projecting GDP loss of 6.8%. €24B.https://www.imf.org/~/media/Files/Publications/WEO/2020/April/English/StatsAppendixA.ashx?la=en We value healthcare interventions at €45,000 per year of life saved.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26497002 Being generous, let's say we're saving people who have 10 years left to live. Did we save almost 54,000 people? This was too expensive.
Nermal wrote: » You're wrong. If that was the case, we wouldn't need a lockdown, would we?
JoeA3 wrote: » Wrong. My local hardware place is open today. Queues out the door. Everyone's an amateur painter this week!
Downlinz wrote: » People already have access to essential resources, we have all we need to see out the winter.
Downlinz wrote: » It's being preserved as best we can. What would kill the economy is removing government supports and letting a cautious and frightened market decide. People already have access to essential resources, we have all we need to see out the winter. How does allowing a deadly virus to ravage workforces help with that? If you're working in a sector deemed non-essential why would you think there's high demand for your product or service in the middle of a pandemic? Fair enough if that's the case but there are plenty of people here who argue the sole reason to open up for "living" presuming leisure activities.
