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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Spanish Eyes

Common cold does not kill anyone. The flu has a vaccine but it does not always hit the spot, better than nothing though.

THIS virus is going to be a different animal altogether. Well until we know whether is dies down in Summer or not, whether it mutates or not, whether we know anything much about the fekkin thing at all.

Anyway, not to be too negative, I also agree that social distancing will be a thing until a vaccine is found. That will be very difficult, but not impossible for many going about their daily jobs in a fixed setting, and for travel also.

I am hoping for the best, but fearing the worst. Don't forget that many who are young, fit and healthy and will probably not have any or many symptoms can infect others who may not be so lucky. Bit of a dilemma.

thebaz

JTMan wrote: »

You mean until the majority of people receive a vaccine. A vaccine will problem by found by Autumn. It will probably not be pass distributed until spring next year.

A vaccine has already been developed a few months ago , it is in early testing, will not be reasy for at least a year (after testing/manufacture) -
personally, going of Harris ministerial leadership.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sliabh 1956 wrote: »

I was a bit disappointed on my evening walk within 2 Killo. of my home as I passed the local GAA pitch i saw about 15 teens pucking around . It will be a shame if people start getting careless after making such a great effort up to now

Were they two metres away from each other?

Tenzor07

ixoy wrote: »

I don't see social distancing happening, as is, until a vaccine occurs. People always standing 2m apart? Unlikely as many are barely managing it after a couple of weeks. And we can't really expect families to say 2m apart for that long for many reasons. The best we could realistically achieve is keeping strangers further apart by keeping pubs shut, telling people to try and pass away from strangers, and resign themselves to families and friends mixing. If nothing else that should reduce any transmission rate.

It's the only effective mitigation methods we have, there's no medication which will protect people from getting cv19 or dying from it.... those who have had it are now testing positive for it again (S.Korea) so immunity isn't an effective defense either.

Pubs, restaurants and social events will need to reduce numbers, put up perspex barriers, no cash handled, facemasks worn in work and checking for symptoms will all be the norm.

Cv19 will flare up if we go back to pre-lockdown restrictions being lifted.

Cork Boy 53

JTMan wrote: »

It means that most people will not get the vaccine until Spring next year. It takes time to produce.

OK. There was a typo in your previous post which changed the meaning of your comment for me anyway.

Cork Boy 53

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

mass distributed?

Ah OK. I thought the poster was suggesting something like priority being given to certain groups in society to receive the vaccine should one be developed.

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sliabh 1956 wrote: »

I was a bit disappointed on my evening walk within 2 Killo. of my home as I passed the local GAA pitch i saw about 15 teens pucking around . It will be a shame if people start getting careless after making such a great effort up to now

I have found in life that it is better not to have too many expectations of others, disappointment will nearly always ensue. Much better to ensure high expectations of self and be sure to hit at least the minimum expected.

JTMan

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What does this mean?

It means that most people will not get the vaccine until Spring next year. It takes time to produce.

ixoy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Mitigation? Yes, social distancing, face masks, isolating/staying at home with any cold/flu like symptoms, temperature checks for work/travel etc..

I don't see social distancing happening, as is, until a vaccine occurs. People always standing 2m apart? Unlikely as many are barely managing it after a couple of weeks. And we can't really expect families to say 2m apart for that long for many reasons. The best we could realistically achieve is keeping strangers further apart by keeping pubs shut, telling people to try and pass away from strangers, and resign themselves to families and friends mixing. If nothing else that should reduce any transmission rate.

VinLieger

Diarmuid wrote: »

No vaccine. Just like SARS and the common cold, two other corona viruses.

Theres no money in a sars vaccine since its been completely eradicated and the common cold mutates too quickly for any vaccine to be effective

Loafing Oaf

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What does this mean?

mass distributed?

Szero

JTMan wrote: »

Some firms to place staff in alternating groups to allow for social distancing in open-plan offices where social distancing is difficult.

Alternating staff won't work in open plan offices because social distancing will still be impossible.

Even if you have 50% of your staff in the office AND even if you somehow manage to ensure that everyone's desks are 2 meters apart you will still not be able to ensure social distancing on narrow passage ways, in the kitchens (often small) and around the office.

Hence, work from home, will stay mandatory, where people can work from home, until a vaccine is given to all.

Cork Boy 53

JTMan wrote: »

You mean until the majority of people receive a vaccine. A vaccine will problem by found by Autumn. It will probably not be pass distributed until spring next year.

What does this mean?

Tenzor07

JTMan wrote: »

You mean until the majority of people receive a vaccine. A vaccine will problem by found by Autumn. It will probably not be pass distributed until spring next year.

That's like a fairy tale you're talking about there...

Tenzor07

ixoy wrote: »

Indefinitely? So you're assuming there's going to be no vaccine, no ways to mitigate against this for years? This is something that's affecting billions and, for better or worse, it's hitting the richer countries this time so there's a lot of incentive to find a solution.

Mitigation? Yes, social distancing, face masks, isolating/staying at home with any cold/flu like symptoms, temperature checks for work/travel etc..

We're all just going to have to get used to a new way of living for the foreseeable future, otherwise we can all just hide at home bathing in Dettol in the hopes of a vaccine which may never get to us.....

JTMan

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

According to Harris social distancing will be a part of daily life until a vaccine is found.

You mean until the majority of people receive a vaccine. A vaccine will problem by found by Autumn. It will probably not be pass distributed until spring next year.

Galwayguy35

GT89 wrote: »

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.

According to Harris social distancing will be a part of daily life until a vaccine is found.

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I really hope today is our peak in terms of new cases and deaths. These measures need to be showing a downward trend soon if anything is to change in May.

Diarmuid

ixoy wrote: »

Different type of disease and different means of transmission. It can also be treated much more readily now.

No vaccine. Just like SARS and the common cold, two other corona viruses.

sliabh 1956

I was a bit disappointed on my evening walk within 2 Killo. of my home as I passed the local GAA pitch i saw about 15 teens pucking around . It will be a shame if people start getting careless after making such a great effort up to now

ixoy

Diarmuid wrote: »

How's the AIDS vaccine coming along?

Different type of disease and different means of transmission. It can also be treated much more readily now.

Diarmuid

ixoy wrote: »

Indefinitely? So you're assuming there's going to be no vaccine, no ways to mitigate against this for years? This is something that's affecting billions and, for better or worse, it's hitting the richer countries this time so there's a lot of incentive to find a solution.

How's the AIDS vaccine coming along?

Nermal

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Indeed they will and when it reaches 75 deaths a day everything will be shut down in terror not just by a scared government but a scared public who will be even more risk averse.

Some of the public have indeed been driven half-mad with fear. There's parents in another thread seriously contemplating home-schooling their children next September even if the schools open.

But if the pubs were open, they'd be packed. Don't know how anyone could think otherwise.

ixoy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It seems we're stuck with ongoing restrictions indefinitely, high unemployment and low economic activity with the tourism and travel industries a shadow of their former selves, food production, road/rail/ship transport also employing far less numbers than before.

Indefinitely? So you're assuming there's going to be no vaccine, no ways to mitigate against this for years? This is something that's affecting billions and, for better or worse, it's hitting the richer countries this time so there's a lot of incentive to find a solution.

Tenzor07

ZX7R wrote: »

IMF stated a global economy will contract by 3% this year but see a quick rebound in the first quarter of 2021 with grouth of 5•8%
Yes it's the biggest global economy restriction since the great depression.
But even the IMF are calling it a recession not a depression .
.

That 5-8% next year will be wiped out again if there's another surge in CV19 cases.
It seems we're stuck with ongoing restrictions indefinitely, high unemployment and low economic activity with the tourism and travel industries a shadow of their former selves, food production, road/rail/ship transport also employing far less numbers than before.

This Virus has set the world economy back decades, which will take further decades to get back to the levels we've just had.

States will have to step up and provide a universal income payment for all, at one level, and also allow people to take up low, part-time and contract work without losing any state payments.

Kermit.de.frog

niallo27 wrote: »

1000 dead a day, why would we possibly have that. Italy with 13 times our population peaked at this number.

Again failure to link mitigation with results. How many cases and deaths per day do you think Italy would have without their lockdown measures.

It's not rocket science.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

spacetweek wrote: »

Dunno why you're laughing, he's right.
The virus doesn't care about silly political tribalism.

The man said he wanted a complete lockdown until a vaccine was readily available....! That's not right, that's trolling!

spacetweek

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Good man paddy

I needed a bit of a laugh today

Dunno why you're laughing, he's right.
The virus doesn't care about silly political tribalism.

Tell me how

GT89 wrote: »

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.

Social distancing will have to be applied based on what is best practice, not whether or not people don't want to queue for an hour. A piecemeal effort may mean having to do so for longer than a more focused effort for a shorter period.

Don't think any decisions have been made yet on just what the future holds and I suspect conversations about relaxing restrictions are largely being started be business/economics focused groups rather than healthcare.

GT89

Could they make certain places in the long run exempt from having social distancing where it's just not practical to have it. Public transport for example when people start going back to work and school it would be very difficult to practice social distancing on a bus for example even if it wasn't full ok it can work at the moment with so few travelling.

Supermarkets aswell in the long run no one wants to queue for an hour just to do shopping espeicially if they're under time pressure. Social distancing could just be applied to places like offices by staggering work days, restaurants, cinemas, ahopping centres etc.

The risk would still be reduced to a manageable as people wouldn't be congregating to same extent as they were eg. no more big concerts, football matches, nightclubs etc. and less people in workplaces like offices.