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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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bladespin

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Get the army on the streets and use force. Simple

I don't think that would end well, for anyone.

[Deleted User]

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Get the army on the streets and use force. Simple

Scary how quickly people are advocating for a police state.

[Deleted User]

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes and I think 99% will continue to do what is asked of them for as long as is required. Even now we still have addicts and dealers congregating in Dublin city centre and travellers killing each other on main streets of towns, but they were never going to comply anyway.
Most of us will though and that's what will get us through this.

99% of the public will not stay locked down for as long as is 'required', depending on your definition of required.

dundalkfc10

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, good luck with that.

There are 1m people in Dublin.

If even 10% of those decided to completely ignore the lockdown, the Gardai would be overwhelmed and any semblance of enforcement would collapse.

Then the other 90% would say, "why am I ****ing bothering" and the lockdown would be over.

We are in lockdown by public consent.

Get the army on the streets and use force. Simple

brutes1

rob316 wrote: »

Denmark opening primary schools back up, then DIY stores and small shops next week and will gradually relieve more restrictions every couple of weeks. See the same happening here on the 5th, if the numbers spike then again the removal of restrictions will be rolled back on.

Would be better off just getting on with it and opening up . Plenty of capacity in the health services to monitor and manage those ill or at risk .

People especially children and young adults need education and social contact with friends etc otherwise one would fear for the future

Those isolated and alone ( including Over 70s), those single etc need social contact, to be able to form relationships, etc

ILoveYourVibes

Paddygreen wrote: »

Come down hard on those that dont. Suspend their payments, heavy fines, electronically tag them.

You cannot turn the country into a prison. I would not as a citizen stand for it for one.

briany

road_high wrote: »

Life will have to return to normal sometime. It will, just the big question being when.

If there is an effective vaccine developed, then I think life will return to normal. Until then, you can tell people to go back to work if they still have a job, but you cannot tell them to frequent pubs, clubs, restaurants etc, and I expect a lot of people will be opting out of going to these places.

Thelonious Monk

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, good luck with that.

There are 1m people in Dublin.

If even 10% of those decided to completely ignore the lockdown, the Gardai would be overwhelmed and any semblance of enforcement would collapse.

Then the other 90% would say, "why am I ****ing bothering" and the lockdown would be over.

We are in lockdown by public consent.

Yes and I think 99% will continue to do what is asked of them for as long as is required. Even now we still have addicts and dealers congregating in Dublin city centre and travellers killing each other on main streets of towns, but they were never going to comply anyway.
Most of us will though and that's what will get us through this.

Ace2007

lalababa wrote: »

Thanks for that! No, my explanation for the median number is correct as is the explanation for the 'median age' number.

No your median age is wrong

seamus

Paddygreen wrote: »

Come down hard on those that dont. Suspend their payments, heavy fines, electronically tag them.

Yeah, good luck with that.

There are 1m people in Dublin.

If even 10% of those decided to completely ignore the lockdown, the Gardai would be overwhelmed and any semblance of enforcement would collapse.

Then the other 90% would say, "why am I ****ing bothering" and the lockdown would be over.

We are in lockdown by public consent.

scamalert

well during this $hit time i cant see reason why say road works shouldnt be completed, the amount of muppets that decide to start works during busy work periods, school seasons etc is moronic, given how little traffic there is now seems like perfect time, being in the open minimum need to be close proximity to each other and can/should wear ppe anyway, at least something good would come out, instead we have guards doing checkpoints waving people trough, to create artificial traffic :cool:

lalababa

Stheno wrote: »

Your explanation of median is wrong in the latter half of your waffle

Median is the middle in a range of numbers

Thanks for that! No, my explanation for the median number is correct as is the explanation for the 'median age' number.

[Deleted User]

Paddygreen wrote: »

You think we can beat the deadly virus that is 19x more contagious than seasonal flu with half measures?

We don’t need to beat it. That’s impossible. We need to maintain ICU admissions within capacity. Which I’m sure will be the basis for the imminent WHO guidance on relaxing restrictions

bladespin

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Bill Gates is not a qualified expert.

But he does employ plenty of them.

road_high

completedit wrote: »

BTW, was just thinking of copper face jacks. Imagine if you ended up buying it last year..... Hard to see it's business model of cramming people in on top of each other surviving.

Life will have to return to normal sometime. It will, just the big question being when.

Mocha Joe

Paddygreen wrote: »

Bill Gates recommended at least 10 more weeks of lockdown two weeks ago. We should listen to the experts. Thackeray means at least eight more are required, and probably a lot more than that.

Bill Gates is not a qualified expert.

completedit

BTW, was just thinking of copper face jacks. Imagine if you ended up buying it last year..... Hard to see it's business model of cramming people in on top of each other surviving.

Paddygreen

seamus wrote: »

Do you think people are going to continue complying with a lockdown beyond May?

Come down hard on those that dont. Suspend their payments, heavy fines, electronically tag them.

oceanman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The hospitality sector is going to have to be completely rethought and the economics examined, if social distancing even in it's most rudimentary state is to become the norm for at least 18 months then it's obvious that the potential for losses are endless. Most cafes pubs and restaurants work on tight margins and tighter seating arrangements - if capacity needs to be reduced by a third to a half while staffing esp in the kitchen remains largely the same (not to mention taxes, rates and rents) then they are utterly bunched.

pubs work on tight margins??

Spencer Brown

pjohnson wrote: »

It really isnt relevant at all outside of being nosy. The restrictions and the reasons for it apply to everyone. Income has no effect on the virus.

Its amusing the see the ways some try to twist things to cover up thier selfishness whether its faux concern over mental health or faux concern over suicide rates.

Where have I expressed faux concern over either of those things?

pjohnson

Spencer Brown wrote: »

As much? We have no information about this poster at all. Personal circumstances absolutely do matter when trying to understand someone's point of view. Nobody is asking anyone to divulge all of their personal details. All you seem to do on here is post emojis and smartass comments at everyone else's posts.

It really isnt relevant at all outside of being nosy. The restrictions and the reasons for it apply to everyone. Income has no effect on the virus.

Its amusing the see the ways some try to twist things to cover up thier selfishness whether its faux concern over mental health or faux concern over suicide rates.

jim-mcdee

STB. wrote: »

I find the zoomed out percentages per million people coldly quote nauseating.

There is a selfish attitude by several people here of abandon the old, and those, both old and young with underlying health issues, let people die, survival of the fittest, I have to get back to work. I hope I never meet ye in the cold light of day.

Pandemics are inconvenient. Its life Jim, but not as we know it.

Obviously people who have conditions and over 65s will need to continue self isolated. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

seamus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The hospitality sector is going to have to be completely rethought and the economics examined, if social distancing even in it's most rudimentary state is to become the norm for at least 18 months then it's obvious that the potential for losses are endless. Most cafes pubs and restaurants work on tight margins and tighter seating arrangements - if capacity needs to be reduced by a third to a half while staffing esp in the kitchen remains largely the same (not to mention taxes, rates and rents) then they are utterly bunched.

Agreed. Though on on the flipside we're about to see a lot of shop space open up in city and town centres as businesses realise they actually don't need an expensive office in a prestige location.

So while bars and restaurants will find themselves having to limit their customers and by extension their staff, they will also find rents plummetting and hospitality staff will find a large boost in demand for these services outside of city centres as more and more people work at home or in remote offices.

It's going to be a very shakey 3-5 years indeed, but there will be a lot of opportunities for those wiley enough to spot the gaps.

is_that_so

Paddygreen wrote: »

You think we can beat the deadly virus that is 19x more contagious than seasonal flu with half measures?

I think you'll be safe in your concrete encased bunker 40 feet underground. That doesn't work for most people. Nobody has used the word "beat" as we will probably have to live alongside it until treatments emerge, but we should certainly be able to manage it.

Spencer Brown

pjohnson wrote: »

I love the new accounts that demand someone provides as much personal info as possible immediately :pac:

Boards isnt a mortage assesor.

As much? We have no information about this poster at all. Personal circumstances absolutely do matter when trying to understand someone's point of view. Nobody is asking anyone to divulge all of their personal details. All you seem to do on here is post emojis and smartass comments at everyone else's posts.

Paddygreen

hmmm wrote: »

Our rate of new infections, hospitalisations and ICU admissions are slowing. We are getting there, and hopefully in a few weeks we can feel we have it under control with current measures.

Asking for new restrictions makes no sense at all, there is no benefit to society.

Bill Gates recommended at least 10 more weeks of lockdown two weeks ago. We should listen to the experts. Thackeray means at least eight more are required, and probably a lot more than that.

Harry Palmr

The hospitality sector is going to have to be completely rethought and the economics examined, if social distancing even in it's most rudimentary state is to become the norm for at least 18 months then it's obvious that the potential for losses are endless. Most cafes pubs and restaurants work on tight margins and tighter seating arrangements - if capacity needs to be reduced by a third to a half while staffing esp in the kitchen remains largely the same (not to mention taxes, rates and rents) then they are utterly bunched.

pjohnson

Spencer Brown wrote: »

What's your own personal circumstances so we can try and understand this one man mission you are on to castigate anyone who dares to suggest lifting restrictions?

I love the new accounts that demand someone provides as much personal info as possible immediately :pac:

Boards isnt a mortage assesor.

seamus

Paddygreen wrote: »

You think we can beat the deadly virus that is 19x more contagious than seasonal flu with half measures?

Do you think people are going to continue complying with a lockdown beyond May?

Paddygreen

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, sure.

You think we can beat the deadly virus that is 19x more contagious than seasonal flu with half measures?