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Sweden avoiding lockdown

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Does Sweden have the right approach to this and how is their healthcare system being able to manage Covid19 cases?

What are the differences between Sweden and Ireland and why can’t we continue similar to how Sweden is managing Covid19?

I’m not suggesting either is right or wrong. I would just like to know how Sweden can continue as normal and other countries can’t. Thanks ðŸ˜Š

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Widdensushi

STB. wrote: »

No. There are 500 ICU beds IN TOTAL for the whole country and that includes private.

And No, ICU numbers have not went down. They have went UP. Right Now, 148 of patients have Covid-19 in ICU with another 127 non-Covid patients in ICU. That's over half of the ICU beds taken.

No. The measures were only to ensure that our limited ICU can cope. We have managed to do that by shutting stuff down. There will be no reopenings "if they want to". The whole idea was to slow it down. Not speed it up. It hasn't went away, all that's happened is people have been removed from mass contagion spreading areas. Work and other people.

Up to 800 beds was the figure given in the news conference yesterday, they also said there were less people in ICU than the previous day with covid

sydthebeat

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/irelands-swift-action-leaves-uk-facing-questions-over-its-coronavirus-strategy-gwpkpzq3q

good to see ireland getting some international praise for our actions

[Deleted User]

loyatemu wrote: »

IHME are predicting 18K deaths for Sweden and that their outbreak won't peak until well into May if they continue with their no-restrictions policy. https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

For comparison they're predicting 500 deaths for Ireland (a figure that has increased in recent days, though we're past our predicted peak). https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland

IHME are making it up as they go along.

These were the people predicting 66,000 deaths in the UK. hastily amended to 23,000, ie divided by 3 in the space of a week.

They are predicting fewer deaths in Italy than have already taken place, assuming that there is a degree of under-reporting in every major European country.

They don't have a huge amount of credibility on this topic, I am amazed people are still quoting their predictions as if they mean something.

[Deleted User]

loyatemu wrote: »

IHME are predicting 18K deaths for Sweden and that their outbreak won't peak until well into May if they continue with their no-restrictions policy. https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

For comparison they're predicting 500 deaths for Ireland (a figure that has increased in recent days, though we're past our predicted peak). https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland

We are past our predicted peak FOR THIS WAVE. As best we can tell from the stats, most people haven't been infected yet. Open things up again and see what happens.

conorhal

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Even people in Sweden are calling it the "great experiment." I'm happy not to be in a situation where I'm feeling like a lab rat.

The Swedes are fond of such great experiments. They were still sterilizing 'untermensch' up until the mid 70's and they're great fans of the state euthanizing people for any old reason.

Sweden, for all the lauding of it's 'progressive values' are a society in general that have a Nazi level of fondness for eugenics that's never quite gone away.

Rodin

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Sweden has 10k cases a population of 10 million and 900 deaths.

We have a populations of 6 million 10k cases and about 365 deaths

Their health system was ruled by the global health security index to be one of the most prepared countries for a pandemic though.

They ranked 7th overall.

If you don't test you won't pick up positive cases.

loyatemu

IHME are predicting 18K deaths for Sweden and that their outbreak won't peak until well into May if they continue with their no-restrictions policy. https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

For comparison they're predicting 500 deaths for Ireland (a figure that has increased in recent days, though we're past our predicted peak). https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland

STB.

Widdensushi wrote: »

nothing is going to change before the end of 2020,covid 19 is going to there whether we go out and face it next week or Christmas day. The measures taken I understood were so the health system would not be overrun. This has been successful with a drop in cases in ICU with covid reported yesterday and over 500 beds available. There should be some industries ,shops etc allowed reopen if they want to.

No. There are 500 ICU beds IN TOTAL for the whole country and that includes private.

And No, ICU numbers have not went down. They have went UP. Right Now, 148 of patients have Covid-19 in ICU with another 127 non-Covid patients in ICU. That's over half of the ICU beds taken.

No. The measures were only to ensure that our limited ICU can cope. We have managed to do that by shutting stuff down. There will be no reopenings "if they want to". The whole idea was to slow it down. Not speed it up. It hasn't went away, all that's happened is people have been removed from mass contagion spreading areas. Work and other people.

JPCN1

sydthebeat wrote: »

Or to people perpetuating lies in a popular public forum... I know where is prefer to spend energy.

And no need to be insulting either

Edit: HAHA I'm buckled here in laughter...
So you didn't actually read the article.!!!!
What a joke

Your own words.

As I said take it up with the indo who are playing on peoples fears torn a buck.

[Deleted User]

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yes it is.

You'd do well to form your opinions from better sources (or all least read beyond the headline)

Ok which better sources? Or are you going to dodge that one too?

[Deleted User]

Glenomra wrote: »

We have been repeatedly advised for decades by commentators on RTE and the Irish times etc to follow what the Scandinavian countries do as regards social policy etc. Not a dickey bird out of them now as Sweden leads the way in dealing sensibly with this virus.

We aren't following the "Swedish model" now that's for sure. Time will tell who got it right. The jury is out at the moment.

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Glad I could brighten your day. Meanwhile people are dying in hospitals and others have lost their liveliehoods and businesses up and down the country. But sure it's a great laugh.

So the Indo is a glorified tabloid?

Yes it is.

You'd do well to form your opinions from better sources (or all least read beyond the headline)

[Deleted User]

sydthebeat wrote: »

All I claimed is that no one said what you posted.

You posted it, your responsible to stand over your own words.

You failed laughably and now all your trying to do is "look over there"... When youve been shown to form your opinion from nothing more than a headline from a glorified tabloid.

You've given me a great laugh this morning, I'll give that

Glad I could brighten your day. Meanwhile people are dying in hospitals and others have lost their liveliehoods and businesses up and down the country. But sure it's a great laugh.

So the Indo is a glorified tabloid?

alwald

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not much of a future there for the next 18 months if we are all locked down.

Put your posts behind a paywall...you will make a fortune!

Glenomra

We have been repeatedly advised for decades by commentators on RTE and the Irish times etc to follow what the Scandinavian countries do as regards social policy etc. Not a dickey bird out of them now as Sweden leads the way in dealing sensibly with this virus.

sydthebeat

JPCN1 wrote: »

No need to be a tosser.

National newspaper Newspaper runs a headline " No end to restrictions until vaccine for Cover-19 is found" I guessing the hope of scaring people into spending the money to read it.

Your ire should be reserved for the editor of the Indo.

Or to people perpetuating lies in a popular public forum... I know where is prefer to spend energy.

And no need to be insulting either

[Deleted User]

JPCN1 wrote: »

No need to be a tosser.

National newspaper Newspaper runs a headline " No end to restrictions until vaccine for Cover-19 is found" I guessing the hope of scaring people into spending the money to read it.

Your ire should be reserved for the editor of the Indo.

If something like that was circulated on Facebook or Youtube they would consider taking it down.

sydthebeat

All I claimed is that no one said what you posted.

You posted it, your responsible to stand over your own words.

You failed laughably and now all your trying to do is "look over there"... When youve been shown to form your opinion from nothing more than a headline from a glorified tabloid.

You've given me a great laugh this morning, I'll give that

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

You will do well in stand-up comedy.

Not much of a future there for the next 18 months if we are all locked down.

JPCN1

sydthebeat wrote: »

Still waiting for you to quote the person who said what you claim.

And honestly, have you actually read that article or did you just find the headline?

Because there is nothing in that article to back up what you claim.

So.... I'm still waiting.

Name and quote the person please

Edit: HAHA I'm buckled here in laughter...
So you didn't actually read the article.!!!!
What a joke

No need to be a tosser.

National newspaper Newspaper runs a headline " No end to restrictions until vaccine for Cover-19 is found" I guessing the hope of scaring people into spending the money to read it.

Your ire should be reserved for the editor of the Indo.

alwald

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An Irish Independent article today starkly warned that "Ireland is likely to remain in virtual lockdown for much of 2020"

Source : https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-no-end-to-restrictions-until-vaccine-for-covid-19-is-found-39126119.html

This is demonstrably correct. Make of it what you will. Declare it fake news. Then you have to discount everything the mainstream media says as possibly fake.

As it's behind a paywall, I can't access it and am not willing to pay for it.

I am assuming a reputable newspaper wouldn't spread vicious social media like stories like some 5G hating nut, but maybe I'm wrong.

You will do well in stand-up comedy.

[Deleted User]

sydthebeat wrote: »

Still waiting for you to quote the person who said what you claim.

And honestly, have you actually read that article or did you just find the headline?

Because there is nothing in that article to back up what you claim.

So.... I'm still waiting.

Name and quote the person please

Edit: HAHA I'm buckled here in laughter...
So you didn't actually read the article.!!!!
What a joke

You haven't answered anything yet. You are taking a position and have repeatedly failed to defend it. I have been honest and straightforward with my source and all you can do is sneer and deflect. You haven't provided a single shred of evidence to back your claim that we won't be locked down for most of 2020. Because you don't have any evidence. None.

Every statement so far is "the virus will decide" and empty platitudes. If "the virus decides" we are potentially locked down for 18 months at least until there is a vaccine readily available.

All you can do is say "produce evidence" when you yourself produce none.

Where is your evidence? I'm waiting. I've shown you mine, now you show me yours.

It's clear we can't reopen until there is a vaccine. Look at China, they are experiencing the beginning of a second wave already, and they have the iron fist of a communist dictatorship behind their lockdown.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/update-3-russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave

Spain and Italy have started reopening tentatively, let's see what happens there, shall we?

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An Irish Independent article today starkly warned that "Ireland is likely to remain in virtual lockdown for much of 2020"

Source : https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-no-end-to-restrictions-until-vaccine-for-covid-19-is-found-39126119.html

This is demonstrably correct. Make of it what you will. Declare it fake news. Then you have to discount everything the mainstream media says as fake.

Still waiting for you to quote the person who said what you claim.

And honestly, have you actually read that article or did you just find the headline?

Because there is nothing in that article to back up what you claim.

So.... I'm still waiting.

Name and quote the person please

Edit: HAHA I'm buckled here in laughter...
So you didn't actually read the article.!!!!
What a joke

[Deleted User]

An Irish Independent article today starkly warned that "Ireland is likely to remain in virtual lockdown for much of 2020"

Source : https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-no-end-to-restrictions-until-vaccine-for-covid-19-is-found-39126119.html

This is demonstrably correct. Make of it what you will. Declare it fake news. Then you have to discount everything the mainstream media says as possibly fake.

As it's behind a paywall, I can't access it and am not willing to pay for it.

I am assuming a reputable newspaper wouldn't spread vicious social media like stories like some 5G hating nut, but maybe I'm wrong.

sydthebeat

Widdensushi wrote: »

Experts can be found with all kinds of opinions, when an expert says to reopen you will dismiss it, the best thing might be for you to stay in self isolation and let others decide what is best for themselves

Fine, and to clarify again for anyone who might stumble in here.

No one said that the lockdown will last until the end of 2020, which was previously claimed by a poster.

Widdensushi

sydthebeat wrote: »

So just to clarify, that's your opinion then??

Because the experts have a different approach:

Experts can be found with all kinds of opinions, when an expert says to reopen you will dismiss it, the best thing might be for you to stay in self isolation and let others decide what is best for themselves

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I posted the article in a national newspaper which you ignored as it didn't suit your narrative..

I'm actually going to suggest here that you didn't actually read the article.... Because if you did you'd see what a fool your making of yourself by perpetuating those lies

uli84

Gary kk wrote: »

Who said we have to stay in lockdown until the end of the year

Must have been some idiot

sydthebeat

Still waiting for soupandpoitin to quote the person who said the lockdown will last for all of 2020...

Are you going to do it or not??

sydthebeat

Deleted User wrote: »

I posted the article in a national newspaper which you ignored as it didn't suit your narrative. You claimed it was some random Facebook meme.

Again, more lies.

Where did i claim anything about the lockdown was a Facebook meme?? Quote please