Jenbach110 wrote: » The post you refer to is by no means a factual clarification. It is at best a presumption
tdf7187 wrote: » I wonder if the difference is that countries like Germany and Iceland have good health services, and the propagandists for our very poor one are on here night and day demanding everyone obey orders and that we will all die soon. Some fat 100k a year HSE admin clerk will probably be ringing liveline demanding this thread be shut down, theres a few of us that are not going along with the scaremongering.
alwald wrote: » Here is a correction to your facts, the death rate stands at 21% and not your 0.5%.
Cupatae wrote: » The fact that you are still, in the most basic understandable form possible having to explain this hours later.. says it all really, its why there is a lockdown people cant even manage to do nothing properly... let alone follow complex guidelines of washing ur hands and stuff.. Lockdown till Vaccine i reckon the only way :pac:
alwald wrote: » Post 5932 from Downlinz clarifies the 21% so no need to duplicate/repeat multiple times.
alwald wrote: » So let me explain, the "rough" estimate for herd immunity to work is that at least 60% of the population must catch C-19 which is akin to a genocide/massacre due to the number of deaths worldwide.
Blueshoe wrote: » I think I might be immune to the virus. The past week or 10 days i have forgotten my gloves and hand sanitizer numerous times when out and about shopping etc. I also smoke so my hands are on the cigarette and into the mouth.
normanoffside wrote: » Death rate is 0.37% going by extensive studies in Germany and Iceland (and even in those studies there is bias towards a tendency to test the sick). I’m not even sure where you got 21% from. In our case the infection/death rate is 4% and that is going off a system where only vulnerable and health workers are being tested. If we had the capacity to test all people with mild symptoms our death rate would be much lower and that’s before you even factor in the 50+% of asymptomatic carriers.
STB. wrote: » Is that what I waited for ? Good God. You probably haven't worked a day in your life.
alwald wrote: » You are exiting as quickly as you entered with a failed attempt. Good night and hopefully you will have a better day tomorrow with your "facts" .
tdf7187 wrote: » Told by whom? The whole fake crisis is a textbook case of mass propaganda. Literally Orwellian. I'm kind of hoping the virus does cause billions of deaths as the human race has proven itself to be so easily manipulated into obsequious compliance with absurd and entirely disproportionate diktats, all propaganised for by so-called free media, that it doesnt deserve to survive.
tdf7187 wrote: » So I can't even talk about civil rights until some future as yet undetermined date? Interesting.
STB. wrote: » Yeah well your civil rights play second fiddle to public health however inconvenient. Police state, FFS. The very fact that they had to bring in these laws is because there are gobshítes who are too stupid or too selfish to follow the plan. The plan being not to spread the virus and overwhelm out limited health system to a stage where loads die, unnecessarily. You can talk all you want about your civil rights when we get this under control. The sooner we do that, the sooner people get back to work.
Hyzepher wrote: » The fact of the matter is that if everyone actually followed the guidelines as they were set forward then this thing would be over sooner and those crying about surpression of civil liberties could shut up. But no, there are countless people around who don't seem to care if they get it or not - most likely asymptomatic and passing it on - who are prolonging these restriction longer for all of us. It's those who are crying about the restrictions and don't obey them are actually prolonging the very thing they want to end.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Do you understand the distinction between a 'fact' and a 'prediction'?
tdf7187 wrote: » Good point, the sky is always falling in. Yes, you are right, its worse than the plague and the black death, happy now? Night night, dont let the bed bugs bite.
thebaz wrote: » Cause thats what i've read from various experts , no I dont know if it will work for Covid , was just trying to explain the idea - I have no idea if it will work for sure, even the experts dont either, will probably take 3 months or so , assuming sweden continues on its path - but the % they talk about is 60 %. - Thats all - No, I.m not expert and as Ive said 4 times I do not advocate it or reccomend it - that all
lalababa wrote: » As far as I can make out, and there's plenty of guesswork coz there is not much coming out is this : there are a huge number of people infected...could be any number, we stand at 10,000 positive tests. There are at least 40 clusters in old folks homes. Sat 33 died. The median age was 83. Now the median number of a set of numbers is the middle one. But the median age is the highest age - the lowest, divided by 2 and added to the lowest. Which would indicate nearly all of the 33 were over 80. Which would indicate that there are a few/many nursing homes where it is making rack. But this isn't being reported. Why..f**k knows.
tdf7187 wrote: » Death rate is 0.5%. Far more will die from suicide if lockdown is extended excessively. As for cocooning, my 78 yr old mum is breaching the guidelines. And fair play to her. Irish nurses and doctors are very, very well paid by international standards, as are our (provably corrupt) cops. These are the facts.
alwald wrote: » Let's break it up then to simplify: 1 - What's your source of 60%? 2 - How are you sure it will work for C-19? 3 - what's your source that a human body builds immunity against C-19?
tdf7187 wrote: » Death rate is 0.5%.Far more will die from suicide if lockdown is extended excessively. These are the facts.
growleaves wrote: » Yes and the Irish Times had articles of late about civil liberties and the attempt to suspend the Dáil. Leo V. responded by saying that Ireland 'is not a police state'. In ancient Rome at one point there used to be temporary (popular) dictatorships that lasted I think it was a year at a time (trying to piece this from memory), typically run by two leaders and then power handed back to the Senate afterwards. Modern people don't think of a dictatorship working that way but with "rolling lockdowns" we might have something like this as our new model of government - with governance being subordinated to 'expert advice' for intense, short periods of time.
Rainmann wrote: » Funnily enough, I have experienced the healthcare system in both Ireland and Brazil and the Brazillian system was far superior in my experience and it was free/ fully public. Maybe it comes down to the cost of the treatment in Brazil making it more viable, but I never had to wait/ queue for over 30-minutes in Brazil and they were always able to do whatever tests there and then. In Ireland, the GP's just guesstimate what you have as they can't do any tests, or they will refer you to a specialist with a 2-year waiting list - And then A&E you might be waiting 20+hours before you see a doctor. I know this is different as its a pandemic and all hands are on deck and Ireland is a better-resourced country per capita but the day to day healthcare on offer in Ireland, in general, is pretty terrible.
