How will schools be able to go back in September?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the herd immunity is the obvious way to go. Keep transmissions as high as the health service can possibly deal with and get through it as quickly as possible.

I’d agree hat waiting for a vaccine is too risky. Might not be ready for years. So I’d agree, manage the rate at which we all get it and we can all use the health service if we need it.

People are burying their hear in the sand if they think we can eliminate the virus by simply stopping it spreading so it dies out. No government is even pretending to be aiming for that. So what are they aiming for? Managed herd immunity and hope a vaccine is developed in the next couple of years.

Simon Harris even said today this virus is not going away, it will be an attempt to control it until a vaccine is found. Britain and Sweden are discovering the herd immunity approach is not the way to go. Offering up our elders is not the way either

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Boris Johnson thought herd immunity was a great idea also and then he changed his mind and eventually ended up in icu himself. Nobody knows what will happen and there is no point in bickering. Maybe those who wish like yourself could volunteer to be the ones to take the risk first if it's such a great theory. Gamble with your own lives instead of others.

Can I also add people with savings may just bide their time and lay low, take leave from work or leave their jobs and wait it out.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are lots and lots of reasons why we aren’t going to stay in lockdown for a year or more like some of you want.

We’d be economically depressed for one. Which would kill way more than Covid 19 will.

I’m not talking about 2008 type recession. Back to the dark ages.

So opening things up will speed up transmission. Schools might be used as one way to speed up transmission and then they’d be shut down again once they’ve achieved the goal of raising transmissions to the desired rate.

If schools are reopened, I’d expect it to be to manage transmissions rather than hoping to actually stay open for the year to teach the syllabus.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the herd immunity is the obvious way to go. Keep transmissions as high as the health service can possibly deal with and get through it as quickly as possible.

I’d agree hat waiting for a vaccine is too risky. Might not be ready for years. So I’d agree, manage the rate at which we all get it and we can all use the health service if we need it.

People are burying their hear in the sand if they think we can eliminate the virus by simply stopping it spreading so it dies out. No government is even pretending to be aiming for that. So what are they aiming for? Managed herd immunity and hope a vaccine is developed in the next couple of years.

Boris Johnson thought herd immunity was a great idea also and then he changed his mind and eventually ended up in icu himself. Nobody knows what will happen and there is no point in bickering. Maybe those who wish like yourself could volunteer to be the ones to take the risk first if it's such a great theory. Gamble with your own lives instead of others.

trapp wrote: »

It is mostly older people.

Fact.

Others do die but mostly older people.

I wouldnt use that as a reason. WOuld you pick your parents or grandparents to die. SImon Harris has said the ages are between 32 and 103, there are 16 new born babies with it and a number of children, opening the schools will be a delicate balance in managing the reproduction rate of the virus and maintaining it below 1%

trapp wrote: »

I think we have to get back to some sort of normal soon as waiting for a safe vaccine could be years away and the human impact of the lockdown could be grave.

However, as I've said, presuming the virus remains, it will take schools until January at the very earliest to be ready to reopen.

At that stage hospitals should be more prepared in terms of capacity too.

I think the herd immunity is the obvious way to go. Keep transmissions as high as the health service can possibly deal with and get through it as quickly as possible.

I’d agree hat waiting for a vaccine is too risky. Might not be ready for years. So I’d agree, manage the rate at which we all get it and we can all use the health service if we need it.

People are burying their hear in the sand if they think we can eliminate the virus by simply stopping it spreading so it dies out. No government is even pretending to be aiming for that. So what are they aiming for? Managed herd immunity and hope a vaccine is developed in the next couple of years.

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There are lots and lots of reasons why we aren’t going to stay in lockdown for a year or more like some of you want.

We’d be economically depressed for one. Which would kill way more than Covid 19 will.

I’m not talking about 2008 type recession. Back to the dark ages.

trapp wrote: »

It is mostly older people.

Fact.

Others do die but mostly older people.

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Its majority in the older age category. And yet this virus does not discriminate. People of all ages have died from this unfortunately. It's horrific and in countries with numbers like 15000 deaths it is still a huge number.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. So are we just waiting for a vaccine that might take a year IF everything goes to plan? Then mass produce the vaccine and roll out and administer it to everyone. So stay in lockdown to minimise the virus transmission until about this time next year. Is that what you think the plan probably is?

I'll put it this way, If that saves lives then that's better than people contracting this virus that could otherwise have avoided it.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Yes they are. Many many people have died of all ages, under 20s being the least common. Look up some statistics. Even when it's small percentages of numbers it's of huge numbers, its lots of people. And it's also not the point because people of any age of any underlying health condition should all be protected.

It is mostly older people.

Fact.

Others do die but mostly older people.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What do you think that actual plan is? We all have to become immune one way or the other either through a vaccine or contracting the virus. So what’s the actual plan, as you see it?

My hope is better treatment progress and some form of vaccine and improved antibody tests. These all take time. This is a new virus as we will know. I hope a lot happens in the science of it in the next 3 months, but I don't know how long it will all take. Until then life has changed.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

I have no idea what the longterm plan is, but you sound like you're talking about herd immunity..Simon harris said today the goal is to keep people out of the icu aka keep people from getting this awful virus. People of all ages die from this. ...

Ok. So are we just waiting for a vaccine that might take a year IF everything goes to plan? Then mass produce the vaccine and roll out and administer it to everyone. So stay in lockdown to minimise the virus transmission until about this time next year. Is that what you think the plan probably is?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What do you think that actual plan is? We all have to become immune one way or the other either through a vaccine or contracting the virus. So what’s the actual plan, as you see it?

I think we have to get back to some sort of normal soon as waiting for a safe vaccine could be years away and the human impact of the lockdown could be grave.

However, as I've said, presuming the virus remains, it will take schools until January at the very earliest to be ready to reopen.

At that stage hospitals should be more prepared in terms of capacity too.

Schools were first to close and will be last to reopen I fear.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's the only way schools might be reopened in the next year is if transmission rates fall too low. Opening things will increase transmission rate, right? Do you agree with that much? I've already asked what you think the actual plan is in the last post so I hope you answer that because it's actually a pretty important question.[/quote

I'm pretty sure even the highest officials in government don't know what is going to happen next. I as a random poster on boards do not know. What I do know is people's lives are more important than kids missing 6 months of face to face teaching. No I don't know what will happen next, but I hope to god people's lives and health are prioritised.

Well looking at the reproduction rate of the virus they have fallen from 4.5% on March 16th to about 1% now. So giving it another 3 weeks it should hopefully fall below 1% and then we have to maintain it there.

Simon Harris has talked bout tweaking the restrictions so I reckon the schools will be among the last to be tweaked.

If they get to below 1% in May, lockdown will be lifted and we will be where we were 2 weeks ago and then they will take a wait and see approach for every tweak to see how it affects the numbers.

Schools will be hard to reopen as they will have to be staggered, and assess affect on reproduction number. For any rises in the reproduction rates they may reign back the restrictions. Maintaing social distancing in schools will be difficult and hand hygiene if we go anyway towards what Denmark is suggesting.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We all have to become immune, right? So how do we achieve that and how long might that take?

We can either wait for the vaccine which will take at least a year. Or we can let people get it and become immune that way. The rate at which people get it can't exceed the health service's ability to deal with critically ill patients. But the health service isn't overrun so he rate of transmission isn't too high yet.

What do you think the plan is? For example, do you think the plan is to stay in lockdown for a few more weeks to kill the virus and then we - all go back to normal? What do you think the actual plan is?

I have no idea what the longterm plan is, but you sound like you're talking about herd immunity..Simon harris said today the goal is to keep people out of the icu aka keep people from getting this awful virus. People of all ages die from this. Children will catch up. Many start late and miss a lot if time as it is we will all be in tbr same boat. Maths and English will be prioritised and the children will catch up. Online work is already being given to keep the children working. People are dying, it's more serious and important. I don't know what will happen but life is on hold as it is. People will not send their kids to school in this set up and socially distance from their own family. It is going to be one or the other.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

I don't know when schools will go back but the way people talk about this virus sometimes and peoples lives as if they're expendable so that their kids can be looked after is just shocking to me. I don't know what will happen but I really wish people would be more careful with their wording. People have lost their lives to this and talk of sending schools back to 'speed up transmission' is shocking to me.

That's the only way schools might be reopened in the next year is if transmission rates fall too low. Opening things will increase transmission rate, right? Do you agree with that much? I've already asked what you think the actual plan is in the last post so I hope you answer that because it's actually a pretty important question.

khalessi wrote: »

Youve already been told by a mod to stop waffling about Jan 2021

I honestly dont believe by what you have printed in this thread that you are involved in education unless you are counting walking by a school

I sincerely hope that date is wrong and schools return earlier.

I would not want to return though to a situation where families are put at risk.

What about schools with large numbers of Traveller children.

Imagine the virus on a halting site.

Or would that be ok.

Safety has to come first and that may well mean September 2021.

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Dublingirl80 wrote: »

I agree here. If kids need to go to college one year later and kids need to start infants when they're 5 and a half etc, then is that really that big a deal? I would like to look back and say Ireland put every person's health as a priority. The supermarket staff should also not be being expected to work in their current set up. People need to shop less and if possible shop online and let the staff work staggered shifts with limits to how many orders allowed. We could all live for two weeks off one shopping order. But that is a whole other issue.

It would be a huge deal. If 2000 kids have to wait a year to start school. Then another 2000 would be also looking to start. Not enough places available then for everyone. The schools were I live are already stretched to the limit without backlogs building up.

That’s just one small example of why we can’t stay locked down.

Our society is a production line. People die, people are born, people graduate and people retire. Kids start school, kids finish school.

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When are the Chinese back to School?

khalessi wrote: »

Youve already been told by a mod to stop waffling about Jan 2021

I honestly dont believe by what you have printed in this thread that you are involved in education unless you are counting walking by a school

Why would a mod stop people expressing an opinion?

Starting children in JI at 51/2 is no big deal but some of these kids will be 6 nearly seven if we put them off a year

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

We aren't as bad as other countries but our numbers and deaths are still not acceptable. Speed up transmission??? These are peoples lives, teachers lives, kids families lives....the way people talk is just crazy.

We all have to become immune, right? So how do we achieve that and how long might that take?

We can either wait for the vaccine which will take at least a year. Or we can let people get it and become immune that way. The rate at which people get it can't exceed the health service's ability to deal with critically ill patients. But the health service isn't overrun so he rate of transmission isn't too high yet.

What do you think the plan is? For example, do you think the plan is to stay in lockdown for a few more weeks to kill the virus and then we - all go back to normal? What do you think the actual plan is?

trapp wrote: »

I think schools are different to supermarkets.

Adults work in supermarkets and generally people are in and out.

Schools completely different issue.

Can't see how starting in January 2021 and running the year though to July 2021 would be a problem.

Alternatively waiting until September 2021 and everyone a year behind.

Youve already been told by a mod to stop waffling about Jan 2021

I honestly dont believe by what you have printed in this thread that you are involved in education unless you are counting walking by a school

trapp wrote: »

I think schools are different to supermarkets.

Adults work in supermarkets and generally people are in and out.

Schools completely different issue.

Can't see how starting in January 2021 and running the year though to July 2021 would be a problem.

Alternatively waiting until September 2021 and everyone a year behind.

Schools are far worse and impossible for social distancing. Hygiene standards nowhere near where they would need to be. But I do think supermarket staff deserve stricter regulations. People in my view are overdoing the supermarket trips.

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

I agree here. If kids need to go to college one year later and kids need to start infants when they're 5 and a half etc, then is that really that big a deal? I would like to look back and say Ireland put every person's health as a priority. The supermarket staff should also not be being expected to work in their current set up. People need to shop less and if possible shop online and let the staff work staggered shifts with limits to how many orders allowed. We could all live for two weeks off one shopping order. But that is a whole other issue.

I think schools are different to supermarkets.

Adults work in supermarkets and generally people are in and out.

Schools completely different issue.

Can't see how starting in January 2021 and running the year though to July 2021 would be a problem.

Alternatively waiting until September 2021 and everyone a year behind.

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amadangomor wrote: »

This will not be workable at all.

Kids will be kids and are really good spreaders with their habits.

Any child even in these circumstances going home to a vulnerable person would be creating a risk to that person's life.

It really is a tough one, no easy solutions. Probably will come down to cocooning vulnerable people but in an ironclad way and for the rest of the population to get on with their lives.

Ironclad cocooning will require re-housing tens of thousands who live with vulnerable people or vice versa. Not an easy solution.

trapp wrote: »

Do you believe schools will be safe before January 2021?

If not safe, they can't open.

I agree here. If kids need to go to college one year later and kids need to start infants when they're 5 and a half etc, then is that really that big a deal? I would like to look back and say Ireland put every person's health as a priority. The supermarket staff should also not be being expected to work in their current set up. People need to shop less and if possible shop online and let the staff work staggered shifts with limits to how many orders allowed. We could all live for two weeks off one shopping order. But that is a whole other issue.

amadangomor

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

This didn’t work for me but I found

The Local has seen the instructions sent to daycare institutions. They include:

A recommended floor area of 6m2 per child for vuggestue (nursery) and 4m2 per child for børnehave (kindergarten), meaning some institutions may not be able to accept all children back at first.
Children to play with the same small groups of 3-5, mainly outside.
Children to sit two metres apart at tables.
Food not to be shared.
Staff to supervise the children washing their hands at least every two hours, including after coughing or sneezing, before and after food.
Regular cleaning, including cleaning toys twice a day, disinfecting surfaces such as taps, toilet flushes, tables, door handles, handrails, light switches twice a day.
Staff meetings to be held outside or via telephone/video call.
Those that travel on buses provided by day care, to sit two metres apart. More buses will be provided.
Drop off and collection to be done at intervals and if possible outside.

I think my creche would be looking at maybe 1/6 the number of children....

This will not be workable at all.

Kids will be kids and are really good spreaders with their habits.

Any child even in these circumstances going home to a vulnerable person would be creating a risk to that person's life.

It really is a tough one, no easy solutions. Probably will come down to cocooning vulnerable people but in an ironclad way and for the rest of the population to get on with their lives.