KiKi III wrote: » There were light restrictions four weeks ago, but people were still seeing their families, going to the beach/ park etc, a lot more people were still going to work. The lockdown as we now know it has only been in place for 2.5 weeks.
STB. wrote: » They are not testing. They already have a 8% death rate of those they did test. Over 600 dead and 900 critical.It does matter about positive tests. The testing regime is carried out in conjunction with isolation and contact tracing, and social distancing measures. Done correctly that in turn leads to less contagion, especially at the one time. There is much disquiet in Sweden where they are pursuing an unproven herd immunity approach at a time there is no vaccine. The only reason their figures aren't higher is that 50% of people in Stockholm are ignoring the government instructions and working from home and practicing social distancing. Germany and Korea. Germany were not even reporting the cause of deaths as Covid related. South Korea employed an extreme testing regime from the start, they monitored people coming in and out of the country with temperature guns. They employed smart technology to monitor those isolated. At the end they had tested over half a million people. As of a few days ago South Korea are now discovering people who are positive AGAIN after previously been told they were negative. This is very worrying for the whole world.
niallo27 wrote: » Well I was following the restrictions, it's been a longer for most people. Dont presume we were all disregarding the rules if you were doing it yourself.
ixoy wrote: » I'm fairly sure they meant on a per capita basis though - that's certainly how I took it and that's one of the more important metrics. Assess what percentage of your population is most vulnerable (higher in Italy in the over-65s for example by about 70%) and your ability to cope with it (hospital beds + ICU) and start from there.
KiKi III wrote: » I was in self-isolation before the lockdown having returned from abroad.
Spencer Brown wrote: » Abroad where?
KiKi III wrote: » Timbuktu. What difference does it make?
niallo27 wrote: » You weren't skiing in Italy by any chance.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » That is incorrect.
niallo27 wrote: » Can you tell me why it's so low because I genuinely don't know, it makes no sense why nobody is recovering.
niallo27 wrote: » You talk a good game in fairness but could you actually back some of it up please.
STB. wrote: » As of a few days ago South Korea are now discovering people who are positive AGAIN after previously been told they were negative. This is very worrying for the whole world.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Would you have a link for the South Korean reinfections?
ShineOn7 wrote: » Did it say if these people felt unwell again or if they were asymptomatic second time around?
STB. wrote: » There is much disquiet in Sweden where they are pursuing an unproven herd immunity approach
thebaz wrote: » Have found the Indo coverage a little sensationalist overall, but at least someone is now questioning what has happened, and how we are in effect now in a police state. Maybe (and probably) the state were right, but we wont know for sure until end of month, if we over-reacted, but I believe it is important to question it, especially when so many of our freedoms have been taken away :-https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-have-sleepwalked-into-a-police-state-its-vital-we-have-right-to-question-states-actions-39122948.html
STB. wrote: » You are all good again ? Good god. Its unknown how you are afterwards. You certainly are not immune. The 14 days is so you wont overwhelm the testing system. There are cases of incubation periods of 28 days. Regardless, you are missing the point, the idea of the testing regime is to identify those infected and isolate them and contact trace anyone they have been in touch with to further stop the spread. If you don't do that in good time your public health system could fail and because of the 20% that will not get mild symptoms, a large percentage will require ICU. Our ICU beds capacity is 50 per million so we have a low threshold.
Nermal wrote: » Herd immunity is unproven? What is proven is the failure of suppression. Crucifying one’s economy to delay - not prevent - the death of a tiny fraction of your population.
Nermal wrote: » It’s only worrying if you don’t know that the false negative rate for the test is up to 30%. This is the same test you plan to suppress the virus with? Laughable. We need to change course now.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Investigative journalsim is non existant throughout the coverage of this. Its a police state for health benefits but its still a police state
Captain_Crash wrote: » The question wasn’t about incubation period tho, if you’ve tested positive the incubation period has already passed. So the guidelines say isolate for 14 days after you've tested positive? correct? so to me it seems clear your deemed to be likely “cured” for want of a better word after this timeframe has passed, as that’s the time frame recommended by both the HSE and WHO. So on that basis would it not be fair to say that most positive tests from two weeks ago are now better? And if not, then why is there only a 14 day isolation period? (And when I say better I mean from a purely medical standpoint, I had swine flu so know all too well the several weeks your body takes to recover after a nasty virus like this has left your system)
STB. wrote: » Yes. Herd Immunity is unproven. What do you not understand about that ? You certainly don't try and achieve it (you'd have to infect 80% for herd immunity which would kill thousands and overwhelm your public health system) without a known vaccine in place.
Have found the Indo coverage a little sensationalist overall, but at least someone is now questioning what has happened, and how we are in effect now in a police state.
Nermal wrote: » Herd immunity is unproven? What is proven is the failure of suppression. Crucifying one’s economy to delay - not prevent - the death of a tiny fraction of your population...
