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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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growleaves

Cupatae wrote: »

Well there it is folks, "EVERYTHING WAS OPEN IN THE BLITZ THEREFOR ALL RESTRICTIONS ARE NOW LIFTED GG"

Do you have some point you'd like to make?

"Saving lives" isn't the automatic and unquestionable response to each and every deadly crisis.

Hiding in air raid shelters all of the time would have hurt morale too much while WWII was ongoing so it wasn't even considered.

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

A virus that is primarily effecting a particular age group will have far more implications in a country 20 times more popultated in that age group

23% of Italy’s population is over 65 https://www.statista.com/statistics/785104/elderly-population-in-italy/

13% of Ireland’s population is over 65
https://www.statista.com/statistics/376908/age-structure-in-ireland/

So I don’t know where you got the idea that Italy has 20 times more old people. The difference is 10%

[Deleted User]

I personally enjoy the generational comparisons, particularly versus WW2 (they're all pretty much dead and this country wasn't involved).

The idea that one generation is drastically tougher than another is just arrogant and laughable

Professor Moriarty

GazzaL wrote: »

I've answered every question asked of me. If people don't like the answer and want to pretend otherwise, good luck to them, but they're the ones with no credibility.

I'll ask again. You must have missed it the first time. When do you want restrictions lifted? Which restrictions?

Jenbach110

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's twice you've made up numbers. Not a good look.

15million of Italians are over 65
600,000 are over 65 here

hmmm

These restrictions should only exist as long as they are medically required, and need to balance the economic impact. Some people seem to think that the restrictions are inherently good in themselves, and are outdoing each other to pile on more and more restrictions.

I appreciate at the moment the scientists are working to understand more about the virus, and there's a lot we don't know. If it was the case (as perhaps seems likely) that there is minimal chance of viruses being passed on outdoors, then most construction sites should open. If (as seems the case) that it spreads like wildfire indoors in cramped places, Churches, Pubs etc will need to stay closed. Similarly it seems likely that anyone who can work from home should be told to do so, with people strongly discouraged from taking public transport. On the other hand, a manufacturing or food plant with adequate space and ventilation should be able to open. Most retail shops should be able to open if they limit the number of customers inside.

The country and the people involved in these businesses need to know whether they can get back to work. There's nothing nice for most people about lying on the couch not working - people don't have the luxury of nice public-sector guaranteed jobs, they need to get back to work to provide for their families future.

easypazz

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Is it not a fair question tho? Don’t the HSE guidelines say if you get covid you self isolate for 14 days? I’d presume there is a buffer put in place with regards to how quickly it takes to pass trough your system so it’s safe to say 14 days after a positive test your all good again!

So if we had 5000 cases two weeks ago, they should all be better now no?

(I think I read that from the time symptoms show it’s gone in an ave of 7 days)

He knows all that but won't admit it.

easypazz

STB. wrote: »

What you shouldn't do is post on subjects you know nothing about.

You are as has been described in several posts living in cuckoo land.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I know we don't have 10247 active cases.

And so do you.

Professor Moriarty

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Ok

That's twice you've made up numbers. Not a good look.

Captain_Crash

STB. wrote: »

What you shouldn't do is post on subjects you know nothing about.

You are as has been described in several posts living in cuckoo land.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Is it not a fair question tho? Don’t the HSE guidelines say if you get covid you self isolate for 14 days? I’d presume there is a buffer put in place with regards to how quickly it takes to pass trough your system so it’s safe to say 14 days after a positive test your all good again!

So if we had 5000 cases two weeks ago, they should all be better now no?

(I think I read that from the time symptoms show it’s gone in an ave of 7 days)

Spencer Brown

This thread has gone to the dogs, constant bickering with very little actual content.

s1ippy

Jenbach110 wrote: »

What is with this narrative of embracing a life with no joy?

Im really struggling to grasp that people exist who would easily accept this

Well there you go, you've just indicated to me that your life has no joy. That is depressing. Why don't you try and use this time to develop interests and hobbies you can become passionate about? Or just have a lot of sex? Anything except fling yourself into the path of harms way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoCSeIY0xdo

"You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful to make this life a wonderful adventure."
Even with the lockdown, the greatest limitations on your happiness is created by your own perception.

Jenbach110

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Very wrong.

GazzaL

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So basic you've yet to answer the question. Maybe you need to rereg. You've no credibility left at this stage.

I've answered every question asked of me. If people don't like the answer and want to pretend otherwise, good luck to them, but they're the ones with no credibility.

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

Good to see some good debate on here last few hours
As I have said previously I am still working, Own a home in rural tipp and have a few acres with it

Firstly I am not a socialist - I despise socialism
Secondly I am not a sentimental guy, many people here would probably despise me for my social conservatism
I am not a easy fella to like and I have a very bad temper and well able to back it up too

But I feel genuinely sorry for the thousands and thousands of young people who are going to lose their jobs, have pay cuts and will be taxed to pay for a lockdown they do not need
90% of those dead are over 65 , that’s a fact that cannot be just glossed over

Let those who are strong in body and in mind go back to work if they want
Those who don’t can go on benefits until the state tell them go back

Open it up and let’s get this country working again

You can wish it as much as you want, but your health policy ideas are irresponsible and frankly our economy is virtually dead in the water because of the global situation. Things will only start returning to a semblance of normality when the entire globe is returning from its lockdown.

And I imagine plenty simply care about the 90% over 65 and the 10% under it. Plus then you'd have all those healthcare workers who would face increased risks as well. Emergency workers in New York are sleeping in their cars for fear of spreading it to their families.

Professor Moriarty

Jenbach110 wrote: »

A virus that is primarily effecting a particular age group will have far more implications in a country 20 times more popultated in that age group

Very wrong.

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

What is with this narrative of embracing a life with no joy?

Im really struggling to grasp that people exist who would easily accept this

1. We are willing to accept a short-term sacrifice. We’re talking weeks, not decades. If we were six months into lockdown I’d agree with you. It’s been 2.5 weeks.

2. Some people are able to create moments of joy and happiness in their own homes. Have you tried it? My social media is full of people baking, doing yoga, creating art, doing jig saws with their families etc. Most of us have not resigned ourselves to a life without joy - it’s only you and a minority of others who see it that way.

Professor Moriarty

alwald wrote: »

This is a new account trolling because of the lockdown...don't mind his posts as they contain nothing basically.

A useful foil.

Jenbach110

KiKi III wrote: »

I wouldn’t like to become the next Spain or UK either.

Is there not any part of you that’s glad the restrictions are resulting in a lower death rate here?

Are you really so desperate to get back to “normal” after just 2.5 weeks that you’d accept a death rate double what it is now?

A virus that is primarily effecting a particular age group will have far more implications in a country 20 times more popultated in that age group

alwald

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So basic you've yet to answer the question. Maybe you need to rereg. You've no credibility left at this stage.

This is a new account trolling because of the lockdown...don't mind his posts as they contain nothing basically.

STB.

GazzaL wrote: »

It's not in most human's nature to sit idle and do nothing. Many people can't see their families because they're not allowed to travel more than 2km from their residence. The longer the lockdown goes on, the more people will dodge the restrictions, similar to Prohibition. Some of you mightn't like that, but that's reality.

Its inconvenient this pandemic isn't it.

Hope your okay pet.

Professor Moriarty

GazzaL wrote: »

Sorry to quote myself, but I'm genuinely surprised that I had to explain something so basic to someone who calls themselves "Professor"

So basic you've yet to answer the question. Maybe you need to rereg. You've no credibility left at this stage.

Jenbach110

s1ippy wrote: »

but without even the "perk" of being able to do the things you enjoy. What on earth is the rush? Do you hate your life so much, is work your only fulfillment?

What is with this narrative of embracing a life with no joy?

Im really struggling to grasp that people exist who would easily accept this

STB.

easypazz wrote: »

How are there 10247 active cases?

How many have fully recovered by now?

What you shouldn't do is post on subjects you know nothing about.

You are as has been described in several posts living in cuckoo land.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Cupatae

growleaves wrote: »

Everything in Britain was kept open during the Blitz - theatre, opera, live sports, schools, exams - despite that hunkering down in air raid shelters would have been guaranteed to save lives.

I agree that enervating passivity is anti-human and the people who claim it is "easy" to live like secluded lab mice as against some more heroic sacrifice are missing something.

Well there it is folks, "EVERYTHING WAS OPEN IN THE BLITZ THEREFOR ALL RESTRICTIONS ARE NOW LIFTED GG"

KiKi III

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That is incorrect.

I didn’t know where to begin with correcting that mathematical error

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

When people were banned from having a beer, people dodged the restrictions, people still drank beer.

Here, people are being banned from being able to earn a living, banned from being able to see family and friends in person. Do you think people will live like that indefinitely? Or would they dodge the restrictions?

Sorry to quote myself, but I'm genuinely surprised that I had to explain something so basic to someone who calls themselves "Professor"

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

We would need an extra 14.4 million people in the over 65 category to become Italy.

I think there is a danger the the restrictions will be falsely credited with having a greater effect on the effects of the virus than our population stats.

I wouldn’t like to become the next Spain or UK either.

Is there not any part of you that’s glad the restrictions are resulting in a lower death rate here?

Are you really so desperate to get back to “normal” after just 2.5 weeks that you’d accept a death rate double what it is now?

Jenbach110

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That is incorrect.

GazzaL

BanditLuke wrote: »

Okay so no actual real people just some made up people in your own head, i get you.

Thanks for the response. Enjoy the Ryanair flight btw :rolleyes:

You're rattled :pac: