Cupatae wrote: » Some how the tread has got to a point of "Lift the lockdown because of depression" truly amazing to withness.
alwald wrote: » What was my thinking at the time as I feel you still don't understand it yet? What's the criteria for ensuring we got to the safety stage?
Jenbach110 wrote: » All the intellegence in the world will struggle to implement the correct course of action when the measured data is so innaccurate. Not until the exact infection/death rate is accurately measured, can it be decided whats the most effective approach to combat covid
ShineOn7 wrote: » For those who still think the restrictions are too muchhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1249693986769559552
KiKi III wrote: » In the past I’ve done general talk therapy and while that helped in ways, I’m doing CBT now and it’s way better because it gives you actual tools to put into practice during the week. I find it much more practical and combines with some other stuff I’m doing (meditation, practicing gratitude, journaling) I’m holding up much better than I would have expected. I still falter at times. I had a three hour argument on here the other day about something I don’t even care about that much but I just got sucked into it and I could only see that after - bad days can manifest in funny ways. But overall it’s definitely helping and I’d highly recommend it.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Well as sure as s### he is not going to put a model forward that approach was incorrect. Those models have been incredibly innaccurate in the past
alwald wrote: » We know that no country is anywhere near this level of accuracy and yet you request the current measures to be lifted...I don't quite follow your logic here to be honest.
Stheno wrote: » Do you have somewhere to live in Ireland if you got a flight back?
Cupatae wrote: » Come on you ve been banging on about lifting restrictions, you are saying all the intelligence and education in the world are no good, the experts are pointless.. Hit us with it how do we solve it? whats your solution?
the kelt wrote: » I’ve no idea what the criteria is in all honesty. We can only rely on what the experts tell us in that regard although it was encouraging to see Simon Harris give some guidance in regards to that once the R0 goes below 1 some for the restrictions can be lifted. After that then it’s really up in the air if the R0 rises again. What’s your own view?
retro:electro wrote: » That’s an unfair comparison. Nobody “arrives at ICU” because they’re feeling depressed, but they may arrive at ICU as a consequence of their depression and an attempt made on their life. And in that case their condition would be taken every bit as serious as someone who had grave virus symptoms. Tbh I don’t really even get where you’re going with the point above but I wanted to respond to this post because I felt it was a trivial comparison.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Measured data, follow the Icelandic model
Jenbach110 wrote: » Many more infected than we have measured, thus a much lower death rate
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I used to live in London, there are green spaces everywhere, way more than Dublin. You could easily go out for a walk and sit in a park for a while, if even for 10 or 20 minutes. If the police came along they'd just move you on, they're not going to arrest you. You are not going to be publicly shamed unless you're part of a party of people boozing or something. People struggling in small flats etc can still get outside. My gf lives in a flat in Dublin 1 and goes for a walk every day, she has no garden, it sucks but Jasus, let's not be overly dramatic.
martingriff wrote: » Your right they have but for most we think for a good reason. From the 5th we will see phased relaxation with social distancing, pubs and restaurants (who can separate people) will be one of the last with travel been last
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Not really, and if I did, I wouldn't feel right travelling right now or moving in with new people, as it goes against all the guidelines. I think it's only right to stay where I am until there has been some sort of development re antibody testing or the lockdown has been lifted. I plan to move into a better place either here or there as soon as it's feasible. I do realise I'm far luckier than most in that I don't have crippling financial issues - I know that I can live somewhere a bit better eventually, and a lot of people around here cannot do that.
niallo27 wrote: » Is the real issue, being able to go for a walk and being bored. The real issue is that most of us will be broke after this and life will be ****. This is the main crux of the issue not because we cant go for a walk in the park.
Cupatae wrote: » How do we do that, say we lift the restrictions tomorrow as you want what then?
alwald wrote: » We are beginning to get somewhere now as I agree with the R0 to go below 1. This is why there is a lockdown now. Rgarding the next steps, here is an extract from an interview of the BBC with Dr David Nabarro, the WHO's Covid-19 envoy:He said that people would need to become accustomed to a "new reality". He told the BBC: "Some form of facial protection, I'm sure, is going to become the norm, not least to give people reassurance. "But, I would say, don't imagine that you can do what you like when you are wearing a mask." Dr Nabarro added that people's lifestyles would need to change. He said: "Because this virus isn't going to go away, and we don't know whether people who have had the virus stay immune afterwards and will not get it again. "And, we don't know when we will have a vaccine. "So, what we are saying is get societies defended. "Yes, we will have to wear masks. "Yes, there will have to be more physical distancing. I put in bold the key pieces for me, which are also based on the advice of the experts, some of which is in relation to the going back to normality.
niallo27 wrote: » Exactly why are we not seeing a crazy amount of deaths in Sweden using these same models.
STB. wrote: » Yeah, that's not going to happen. The next 3 weeks are about slowing the spread, not overwhelming ICU's and saving lives. 1000 cases today. We are now over 10,600. There are large numbers being admitted to hospital, not just ICU. Of the 10,600. 10,247 are active cases, and in turn 194 are in serious or critical condition. If you don't see the bigger picture, you are living in la la land. And there are quite a few in this thread who clearly are.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Ive seen no posters suggest all restrictions lifted tomorrow. Comments like this discredit your argument.
Cupatae wrote: » Im interested to hear how you plan on implementing, the Icelandic model on Ireland Iceland has a population of 365000 How do we go about implementing that for the 5 million here ?
