martingriff wrote: » Now in fairness that is a small small minority of people. What do you mean you can not exercise, can you not go for a bit of a walk or in my case push around in a wheelchair
KiKi III wrote: » I am simplifying it Martin you’re right, because I’m trying to get across the difference between people who are using the phrase “this isn’t living” as a dramatic rhetorical statement, and the reality of those who have succumbed to this disease and are literally no longer living. People with mental health issues are going to have a tough time of it, but thankfully these days there is an awful lot of help available over the phone and online.
KiKi III wrote: » Lainey, it’s not arbitrary- someone gasping for breath with a high fever in ICU is objectively in a much worse situation than someone who is feeling really depressed. If the two people with the symptoms described above arrived at hospital at the same time doctors would no doubt treat the first patient first because the risk to their life is much more immediate. That’s just reality.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » Not really, no. I manage a quick walk at night time when the streets are quieter, but it's hardly comparable to being able to sit in your garden in the sun all day, drinking rosé, is it? Of course this is much harder for some people compared to others. Anyone who has their own private outdoor space in London right now has basically won the lottery.
LiquidZeb wrote: » No, no don't you understand we can never do anything ever again. We all have to spend the rest of our lives hyperventilating under the bed hoping the big bad covid 19 doesn't get us. Sod the economy, sod the HSE and sod standard of living.
alwald wrote: » I am here to discuss and debate but I can't take a post seriously when you put words in my mouth or you take one sentence out of an entire post to twist the meaning of my entire post. When do you want this return to normality?
martingriff wrote: » But KiKi you realise your saying let them deal with themselves that can ring these numbers or check online. If everyone thought like that then that is not right. You can help them by ringing someone you know or things like that. I am thankful for my health however I can be mindful that there are far worse off to what I have and one liners like your does not help them. Actually it makes it worse. Its called compassion
Jenbach110 wrote: » Thats the spirit
KiKi III wrote: » Martin, what you might not have read earlier in the thread is that I do online counselling once a week myself (and I’m already looking forward to Wednesday’s session!) It’s not a cheap one liner, it’s something I’m very grateful for and it’s something I’d encourage for anyone who’s struggling. What I don’t agree with is people saying “this isn’t living” because we are having a tough few weeks. 31 more people died yesterday from this virus. They are the ones who aren’t living.
Cupatae wrote: » The fact that he/shes advocating staying and in a previous post, said "if 1000s were dying by suicide and i could something to stop it i would"
martingriff wrote: » Sorry but do you what depression is real depression is. It is not fun to watch someone who has it It can be a matter of life and death for some. You can't equate 1 to the other as if its black and white as if there is a hierarchy.
LiquidZeb wrote: » I was being sarcastic to display some of the nonsense I've seen on here. I was talking to someone on boards last night who seriously believed we'll be on lockdown as it stands for the next 18-24 months. When probed about how that's feasible when people will go ballistic and the world economy will be utterly devastated, I was met with claims of 'we'll have to get on with it'. Utterly mad.
Jenbach110 wrote: » I know I was responding with sarcasm!!
Jenbach110 wrote: » Id say easing of restrictions would help
the kelt wrote: » Genuine question, in what area is your counselling? And have you noticed the difference in that counselling since all this kicked off?
the kelt wrote: » Well then by all means don’t reply. I did quote your entire post but it’s your post so if that was your thinking at the time then fair enough.
the kelt wrote: » As soon as is safely possible would be when I want a return to normality as you would have said previously would be my preference, I mean I’m sure that’s everyone’s preference at this stage. But again to want that isn’t dangerous imho.
KiKi III wrote: » I suffer from depression. I know what it is. And what I said above is correct.
martingriff wrote: » So what if you are doing online counselling does that make you able to know how everyone is. I have no idea if its a course or if it is because of something and out of respect I would not ask. But I also have had some counselling due to a bereavement and I would not for 1 minute think I know them. Yes people have dies and it is tragic but we can also help those who may find it hard during these time. This your still breathing so suck it up is not could for anyone and make you not in a great light
lainey_d_123 wrote: » So you think everyone living in London is well off? You're living in fantasy land. There are families around here living about 7 people to a room and 3 families to a house sharing one kitchen and bathroom, dad working as a delivery rider and worrying about infecting the family and everyone else in the house. I was supposed to be living here temporarily but then this happened, and now this is what I have. There is no comparison between someone comfortable living in a nice home with their own space and garden and someone crammed into substandard, crowded accommodation with all the extra risks that entails.
Cupatae wrote: » I dunno more educated/intelligent people than you or i think a lock down is the best course of action.
KiKi III wrote: » I’m not saying “suck it up”, I’m saying try to get a sense of perspective.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » You can't possibly know what other people feel and how severe their depression is compared to yours.
Downlinz wrote: » "Minister Harris cited modelling done by Professor Philip Nolan, which projected that this coming Sunday alone, there would have been 120,000 new cases of the virus, if no restrictive measures had been introduced. If just partial mitigation had been done, by the end of May, the modelling suggested we would see around 70,000 new cases on one day." Using the HSE's projection for partial mitigation during the peak compared to our current flattened curve figures and using the current death rate of around 3.5% it would change the daily deathrate from ~30 to 2450 which is far from an insignificant increase.
Cupatae wrote: » Some how the tread has got to a point of "Lift the lockdown because of depression" truly amazing to withness.
