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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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khalessi

trapp wrote: »

The title is how will they go back in September.

I think January is a much better target to aim for.

Exactly the title is how, not to predict when

How do I tie my shoelaces? The answer is not January, it is a description of how one moves the laces to get them tied.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

The issue according to the title of this thread is how not when schools will reopen and my interest is how they will be able to do so safely.

I have a date in my head but have no proof for it and how by answering your question will that help anything here as it is just one opinion of many.

The title is how will they go back in September.

I think January is a much better target to aim for.

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

When do you think schools will reopen?

The issue according to the title of this thread is how not when schools will reopen and my interest is how they will be able to do so safely.

I have a date in my head but have no proof for it and how by answering your question will that help anything here as it is just one opinion of many.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Since as you have said, you have nothing to back it up, would it not be better if you kept your fears and worries to yourself instead of scremongering?

When do you think schools will reopen?

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

I have nothing to back it up.

The current crisis perhaps.

I would not be surprised at all if schools did not return until September 2021.

I think it would be wrong but wouldn't be surprised.

Since as you have said, you have nothing to back it up, would it not be better if you kept your fears and worries to yourself instead of scaremongering?

khalessi

starbaby2003 wrote: »

No you are. The economy takes priority. Parents need childcare and or school in order to partake in said economy. If you think people are just going to sit at home for the next year, you are very very mistaken on how the world works.

Childcare and schools are two different issues

trapp

starbaby2003 wrote: »

You are OBSESSED with saying January and absolutely NOTHING to back it up. Give it a rest or at least provide something to back this date up.

I have nothing to back it up.

The current crisis perhaps.

I would not be surprised at all if schools did not return until September 2021.

I think it would be wrong but wouldn't be surprised.

s1ippy

starbaby2003 wrote: »

No you are. The economy takes priority. Parents need childcare and or school in order to partake in said economy. If you think people are just going to sit at home for the next year, you are very very mistaken on how the world works.

*worked

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Just to respond to this. I can reassure you that the Department are not sitting on their hands at all, in fact they are working 16 hours a day, that I know of, trying to find a safe solution to an unprecedented global pandemic.

In that case I would be more optimistic.

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

I just fear that the department will sit on their hands and the closure will extend to January.

Just to respond to this. I can reassure you that the Department are not sitting on their hands at all, in fact they are working 16 hours a day, that I know of, trying to find a safe solution to an unprecedented global pandemic.

starbaby2003

s1ippy wrote: »

You must be living in Never Never land if you think reopening schools takes priority in a global pandemic. "Need" vs "want" at play here. We "need" not to incur mass casualties.

No you are. The economy takes priority. Parents need childcare and or school in order to partake in said economy. If you think people are just going to sit at home for the next year, you are very very mistaken on how the world works.

starbaby2003

trapp wrote: »

Sorry I meant that what could lead to a January return is a lack of planning and preparation from the minister and the department not any fault of teachers.

I don't think schools are back in many countries.

I agree schools should open in September and I think it's a realistic aim.

I just fear that the department will sit on their hands and the closure will extend to January.

I think it would be wrong but I fear it will happen.

You are OBSESSED with saying January and absolutely NOTHING to back it up. Give it a rest or at least provide something to back this date up.

khalessi

Re lifting of restrictions after 5th May Simon Harris states that the progress we make on these three weeks will mean according to SImon HArris tweaking of restrcitions, not going back to life as it was before the coronavirus, no magic point where life as we knew can resume. Social distancing will remain a big part of life till we get a vaccine.

We are going to be looking at a degree of trial and error and benefit of watching other countries and seeing the impact. He also mentioned that things they would be looking at very closely before easing restrictions and if they did change them and monitor very closely would be icu capacty rather then who gets sick with virus, an dnever allow situation where it is breached, the R rate if every 1 person infecting less then 1 person, if it rises too quickly and the rate of growth of infections. The better these are the more options they have to make decisions

So I think the idea of school reopening in MAy would be unlikely.

s1ippy

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I do not understand where January has come from. September at the latest. I'm a teacher, and can assure you that January is too long a time for the vast majority of children to be off school. No matter how well intentioned the parents are, children need the structure and routine of school.

Staggered attendance in September if needs be, but we do need it to be September.

You must be living in Never Never land if you think reopening schools takes priority in a global pandemic. "Need" vs "want" at play here. We "need" not to incur mass casualties.

trapp

Birdy wrote: »

The leaks about a possible May return is no coincidence.

The reality is that the situation could be much worse in September. The chances are that we could be in and out of lockdown to control the numbers.

Primary education is an essential service. Closing until January is simply out of the question. There won't be time to make up for all those lost months. Online learning is heavily dependent on parental involvement and that puts the most disadvantaged kids at risk.

This is the big question.

If it is essential educators and the department need to find a way to make it work until normal school can resume in a few years.

Very true about online learning, that is not a solution.

Birdy

The leaks about a possible May return is no coincidence.

The reality is that the situation could be much worse in September. The chances are that we could be in and out of lockdown to control the numbers.

Primary education is an essential service. Closing until January is simply out of the question. There won't be time to make up for all those lost months. Online learning is heavily dependent on parental involvement and that puts the most disadvantaged kids at risk.

Ray Donovan

Lackey wrote: »

I would love for you to save this and set it to pop up in your memories when you are the parent of two secondary school children
See if you still flippantly say ‘they’ll just have to live with it’

I’ve posted this already :
It’s their last year at school with their mates Grad night, pre debs, LC, Debs, LC holiday, earning their own money, College/apprenticeships etc..
if you can't remember being young (or are pretending not to)at least try have a bit of empathy.
You cant put an old head on young shoulders, and you shouldn't want to.

I think
The country will start to reopen in May
Schools will be back in Sept

Where the fcuk do you live? America? Grad night, pre debs, debs, LC holiday!??!?? Get a grip for God's sake!!

Straight after my leaving I went to the bog and the hurling field for 3 months and then straight to college. That's real life. Not some suburban US fantasy land that you and your children seem to exist in.

khalessi

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Schools are already back in countries that have come through the worst of the virus. Other countries have made the decision not to close schools at all (yet, at least). Why would Ireland pick a 9 month closure? It's unsubstantiated and non-nonsensical to be honest.

It has to do with the reproductive rate or R, which has to do with infection rate, it was 4.3% on 16th March fell to 2.5 % on 31st March and is now about 1% and we need to get it below one so it is supressed and we can continue to live life alongside the virus as Simon Harris said earlier today, and then they can start planning for everything including reopening of schools

That has to go down below 1 and in many of these countries it has not gone down below 1 so the chances are a surge will be seen in the following weeks as schools reopen.

A 9 month closure has not ever been stated by the Dept of Ed. just on social media if anyting they are being very careful talking about closures as this is a marathon not a sprint.

trapp

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Exactly. It is NOT from the department. This attempt at predicting and fear mongering is not helpful to anyway. I'm not a naive optimist thinking everything will return to normal in May or June. However, at some point things do need to return to some semblance of normality. This country, nor it's people, can wait until January to return. Schools are already back in countries that have come through the worst of the virus. Other countries have made the decision not to close schools at all (yet, at least). Why would Ireland pick a 9 month closure? It's unsubstantiated and non-nonsensical to be honest.

Sorry I meant that what could lead to a January return is a lack of planning and preparation from the minister and the department not any fault of teachers.

I don't think schools are back in many countries.

I agree schools should open in September and I think it's a realistic aim.

I just fear that the department will sit on their hands and the closure will extend to January.

I think it would be wrong but I fear it will happen.

PeterPan92

jrosen wrote: »

Are there some years in primary school that would need to come back before the rest? Could lets say the incoming JI be put off?

At a minimum I would say JI, SI, 1st, 3rd and 5th need to be in. 2nd, 4th and 6th is building on learning from those classes, but those 5 would be the most essential in terms of new material.

trapp

jrosen wrote: »

Are there some years in primary school that would need to come back before the rest? Could lets say the incoming JI be put off?

Possibly.

And restart in January with this years classes including 6th so everyone staying back a year in primary school.

Would help secondary schools not to have first years arriving next year too.

Everything back to normal then by September 2021.

PeterPan92

trapp wrote: »

I agree.

But I fear it will be January or even later through lack of planning and preparation.

And that's from the minister and the department not educators themselves.

Exactly. It is NOT from the department. This attempt at predicting and fear mongering is not helpful to anyway. I'm not a naive optimist thinking everything will return to normal in May or June. However, at some point things do need to return to some semblance of normality. This country, nor it's people, can wait until January to return. Schools are already back in countries that have come through the worst of the virus. Other countries have made the decision not to close schools at all (yet, at least). Why would Ireland pick a 9 month closure? It's unsubstantiated and non-nonsensical to be honest.

jrosen

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I do not understand where January has come from. September at the latest. I'm a teacher, and can assure you that January is too long a time for the vast majority of children to be off school. No matter how well intentioned the parents are, children need the structure and routine of school.

Staggered attendance in September if needs be, but we do need it to be September.

Are there some years in primary school that would need to come back before the rest? Could lets say the incoming JI be put off?

trapp

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I do not understand where January has come from. September at the latest. I'm a teacher, and can assure you that January is too long a time for the vast majority of children to be off school. No matter how well intentioned the parents are, children need the structure and routine of school.

Staggered attendance in September if needs be, but we do need it to be September.

I agree.

But I fear it will be January or even later through lack of planning and preparation.

And that's from the minister and the department not educators themselves.

PeterPan92

trapp wrote: »

Exactly.

And be ready to open in January 2021.

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I do not understand where January has come from. September at the latest. I'm a teacher, and can assure you that January is too long a time for the vast majority of children to be off school. No matter how well intentioned the parents are, children need the structure and routine of school.

Staggered attendance in September if needs be, but we do need it to be September.

r93kaey5p2izun

trapp wrote: »

I don't mean sitting on their hands, I know they are working with the children online.

I mean expecting to open up as normal in September.

I'm not a teacher.

Oh, you posted before about teacher training. My mistake.

I don't think teachers do expect to open as normal in September. Post primary unions have already flagged this with members but all is vague at the moment. They will be working on solutions with the DES. Schools are looking for solutions locally too but it's difficult to make any plans without any sort of guidance on what level of physical distancing will be required. If they had parameters they could look at how to make things work within the parameters.

trapp

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

Educators, as you call them, have to follow the advice of the health officials. No decisions about operating should be made by anyone but health officials. They need to consult with teachers and principals and management bodies, and make that decision. Not the other way around. I thought you were a primary teacher? Are you sitting on your hands instead of doing something?

I don't mean sitting on their hands, I know they are working with the children online.

I mean expecting to open up as normal in September.

I'm not a teacher.

[Deleted User]

youandme13 wrote: »

I know parents have to work etc, but creches are worse places for spreading of viruses etc. How can you have 12 two year old with 2 adults and expect them to social distance?

Schools would be easier to control this as they are older and would understand.

They would be equally bad. A 5 year old doesn't generally sneeze or cough into elbow, hand washing isn't correct, even 12 year olds all using same bathrooms, etc. And up to 35 in a classroom? No room to socially distance so many children in any classroom. Teacher unable to assist individually with work etc. That is not to mention the huge amount of pupils with special needs in school that will not understand any social distancing or personal hygiene and therefore put themselves and those they are in contact with in danger of infection. Neither creches nor schools are a runner until a later date.

r93kaey5p2izun

trapp wrote: »

Exactly.

Schools will not return to normal.

Question is do we consider opening them essential?

If so then educators need to spend time actively exploring safe ways to do this such as staggered attendance as you mentioned.

And be ready to open in January 2021.

No point sitting on their hands until then.

Teachers do great work but together with the department they need to think about how to get up and running again instead of waiting for a normal that won't come.

Educators, as you call them, have to follow the advice of the health officials. No decisions about operating should be made by anyone but health officials. They need to consult with teachers and principals and management bodies, and make that decision. Not the other way around. I thought you were a primary teacher? Are you sitting on your hands instead of doing something?

All that fandango

Sorry if this is wrong thread to be asking, but does anyone personally know of any student teachers who were on their final year placement when all this happened and how are they now being assessed? I know on the TC website they say they wont be looking for these student teachers to make back the time lost but just curious as to what kind of assessment they are doing in lieu. I ask because Im due to go into final year college in September with placement commencing in next January. Supposed to have a week of observation aswell the very first week students are back in late august but not sure if this is still going to go ahead.