trapp wrote: » Everybody counts within reason. Of course it's completely unsafe to have a big concert taking place. But it might be possible to gradually reduce the restrictions in place over time, allow children go back to school, allow small gatherings etc. All in time.
History Queen wrote: » God I really hope you're wrong about having to wait til January to reopen. Maybe we'll get lucky and something drastic will change in the coming weeks and months meaning some semblance of normality can be returned to. Surely with all of our restrictions things will begin to ease. I certainly hope so.
Cupatae wrote: » The problem with the "lets go back to normal instantly!" brigade is they dont see it ll make the whole lockdown pointless. Everyone is roaring to go back to normal, but no one has a concrete way on how to do it..any sane person would take normality back, but most understand that right now its not realistic Plus we need to have some sort of control of the first wave, in order to contain other outbreaks.
Cupatae wrote: » A few posts ago you were "everyone or no one" now its grand to cancel concerts,matches ect alot of people work in those industries aswell.
trapp wrote: » Exactly, schools completely not set up currently for social distancing but while schools are closed there is now time to consider how to work best and aim to reopen in January. I don't think it would be a one size fits all solution, measures will have to be adapted to each school and would vary between primary and secondary. There might have to be an element of online learning but, particularly at primary level and for practical subjects in secondary classroom will be needed too. It will be hugely problamatic and difficult but there is time there to organise it. The alternative is closed for 2 or 3 years.
History Queen wrote: » True re the lunch part, not so much the access to IT, but again, that could be done without it isn't that long ago teachers only had textbooks. Staff separation is probably the easiest issue to overcome. Shared classrooms may also bean issue. But again, some put of the box thinking will find a solution. Regarding students coming to school one day a week, I think that's an interesting suggestion. Who decides what subjects they go to? We have 9 classes a day. Ordinarily I see my first year english class 5 times a week. There's 28 in the class. Would all 28 come to me once or would we split the class in to 5 separate groups so I only see 5/6 per day and teach the same material 5 times? One online session would be more efficient. What about options subjects where they only see them 3 days a week? How would staggered timetables work there? Teachers usually teach different levels and subjects so timetabling could be an issue to allow equal access to the curriculum to all. As well as the cpre timetable would we be able to allow access tothe otherservicestheschool provides that our vulnerable students are missing out on? Counselling/student support/ resource/learning support/SNA access. I would argue that these supports need to be put in place first as these are the supports that are either the most difficult completely impossible to provide remotely. I'm not saying your ideas are not without merit. I'm just pointing out that schools are problematic because how we ran then up to now isn't conducive to social distancing. Obviously if we want to reopen them the way we do things will have to change. I agree completely with you on that point. It'll take someone much more creative than me to come up with solutions.
Cupatae wrote: » They banned gatherings, so = No Festivals.
Xertz wrote: » I am actually finding the guidance on big festivals VERY lacking at the moment. I would far rather the Government put out a blanket request to just reschedule / postpone them until at least after September. I'm aware of a few festivals that have yet to cancel as they're just not clear on what's happening. It's not out of some kind of profit motive or something, but rather that they just have not been given clear guidance and are being very optimistic. The downside of that is that you will get community groups, promoters, sports bodies and others stringing things out until the last minute which can create big financial problems for them and also just a lot of unrealistic expectations and lack of planning. I'd far rather see some of these things finding alternative ways of doing things safely or putting effort into getting ready for 2021.
trapp wrote: » Exactly festivals, big matches and so on are not safe for now. We need to look at what's essential first. If schools are essential is the question? If they are then educators need to spend the next few months finding suitable arrangements that are not all focused on online learning, particularly at primary level and look to reopen in January 2021 and work through the summer next year.
trapp wrote: » Exactly festivals, big matches and so on are not safe for now. We need to look at what's essential first. .
zerosugarbuzz wrote: » How long are you prepared to wait and after that period in time how do you see the economy functioning. I personally know a lot of SME's that will not financially survive another 4 weeks of this. The aftermath of this long lockdown could make Corona Virus look like childs play.
trapp wrote: » Alternative is schools closed for another year or two. Educators are going to have to think outside the box. Staggered timetables with each child attending school for 1 day per week perhaps which will give more focus to work at home on the other days. Forget the staffroom. Eat lunch on your own. Hardly an insurmountable issue.
VinLieger wrote: » Most creches already only have groups of 10 - 15 max due to how many carers are required. Making these even smaller would be impossible because the facilities for each group could not be divided in a way that would work.
Hmmzis wrote: » Exactly. The most we can do is keep the hospitals and ICUs from being overloaded. Barring a useful treatment regime/drugs, it'll be a balancing act.
Xertz wrote: » Densely congregated settings are going to present a huge challenge though no matter what way you look at it and the only thing I could suggest is that we minimise the number of them to absolutely essential stuff like trying to get schools back up and running on some basis using blended learning (minimising time needed in class rooms and using a lot of other online resources etc) One thing we should definitely do however is remove superfluous ones from the mix for now. I don't think anyone in their right mind should be contemplating things like festivals, gigs, getting drunk and the pub and accidentally giving everyone a big hug or anything like that for quite some time. There's going to have to be a hierarchy of what's needed and what's not and we've a lot of things that are fun, but could go on hold until it's safe to run them again.
Cupatae wrote: » That is the goal, but we need the lockdown to make that possible. You cant manage something that is rampant, kill off the first wave, then implement measures like that.
Diairist wrote: » Let's watch Spain over the next week. It's a very brave decision to tell your country, let's ease up on the lockdown. And we're still not properly counting covid19 deaths in nursing homes.
Cupatae wrote: » Where do you go then? you cant have it all... its a no win situation.
History Queen wrote: » Social distancing is very difficult if not impossible in schools. Classrooms aren't big enough for it. Most of my classes are between 25 and 30 students. Staggered break times presents a supervision issue as well. Teachers only have one staff room (in most schools) to access photocopiers/IT equipment/have lunch, they need to access this room. It isn't big enough for social distancing either. What about the movement of 700 or so students through the corridors from classroom to classroom? How do you enforce social distancing there? Students in my school come from 3 different counties. I appreciate that we need to think outsode the box but with so many older buildings with small rooms and narrow corridors as well as prefabs and shared bathroom/canteen facilities it is very difficult for me to see social distancing working in a school setting.
Xertz wrote: » I'd also just remind people that a significant % of the economy still is running: Food supply, essential retail, a large % of manufacturing, financial services and a lot of office-based businesses are working with remote working strategies, the IT sector is largely working remotely, telecommunications companies are extremely busy and working, broadcasters and media, a very large % of public servants are working, obviously healthcare is extremely busy and working flat out, logistics companies and transport services and quite a lot of other areas of the economy are still functioning as normal or even are busier than normal. The fact we've had food on the table, supermarkets to go to and are still able to post on boards.ie means a lot of services are up and running. So, while we are on a lock down it's not an absolute stop of the entire economy, but it is very significant.
the kelt wrote: » Completely and for quite a while in all probability. But what's the point of all this if it's not to get back to normality and surely people yearning and wanting that isn't dangerous, rather its necessary. Otherwise what's the point.? People need to want it
easypazz wrote: » I don't think anybody expects the old "normal" We can make changes that reduce the risk to a level that can be managed.
easypazz wrote: » Instead of a creche having say 30 kids mingling they split into 3 groups of 10.
easypazz wrote: » What about the people who are not getting medical procedures, thinking about suicide and the homeless who need houses by next winter. We can't go all in on this "everybody does count" with the virus. There are other issues out there that need to be dealt with but can't be if we are in lockdown.
Cupatae wrote: » The problem with the "lets go back to normal instantly!" brigade is they dont see it ll make the whole lockdown pointless. Everyone is roaring to go back to normal, but no one has a concrete way on how to do it..any sane person would take normality back, but most understand that right now its not realistic
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