Jenbach110 wrote: » I thinks its more idotic not to understand the dangers of NOT going back to normality
History Queen wrote: » Social distancing is very difficult if not impossible in schools. Classrooms aren't big enough for it. Most of my classes are between 25 and 30 students. Staggered break times presents a supervision issue as well. Teachers only have one staff room (in most schools) to access photocopiers/IT equipment/have lunch, they need to access this room. It isn't big enough for social distancing either. What about the movement of 700 or so students through the corridors from classroom to classroom? How do you enforce social distancing there? Students in my school come from 3 different counties. I appreciate that we need to think outsode the box but with so many older buildings with small rooms and narrow corridors as well as prefabs and shared bathroom/canteen facilities it is very difficult for me to see social distancing working in a school setting.
alwald wrote: » The part in bold is what makes it impossible and dangerous at the moment anyway.
road_high wrote: » The longer this goes on the more lives will be lost in countless other ways such as suicide, health cuts, poor nutrition, mental illness. The measures being taken now have their risks to human life as well. It not simply money vs lives we are considering here, it’s lives vs lives
Cupatae wrote: » well if you wanna go lives vs lives i think alot more will die to the virus than suicide so are we on the right track then?
Lord Trollington wrote: » I don't think most reasonable people would have any issue with 3 months of restrictions if they new there was a road map to exiting.
trapp wrote: » Everybody counts or nobody counts. We have to find a middle ground where the numbers getting the virus are kept low but some sort of life can resume. Difficult but has to be done. Expect everybody to sacrifice their lives for 2 years and sit at home and non compliance will cause numbers to rise anyway.
Cupatae wrote: » Everybody does count thats why we are doing the lockdown, to protect the most vulnerable, If you can find a middle ground where everybody is safe and we rapidly get back to normal by all means throw it out.
easypazz wrote: » This doesn't suit the lockdown forever brigade. We have to lift the restrictions soon and ease back to a level we can cope with. There are loads of possible scenarios to reduce social distancing. Pubs and restaurants allowed 50% capacity, and no standing / congregating at the bar. Maybe schools have 50% of students study from home every second week. Instead of a creche having say 30 kids mingling they split into 3 groups of 10. Lots and lots of testing capacity. So if it breaks out somewhere test and trace.
trapp wrote: » If you lockdown for two years or however long a vaccine might take then everybody does not count equally. Because that will destroy more lives than you could imagine.
Cupatae wrote: » The problem with the "lets go back to normal instantly!" brigade is they dont see it ll make the whole lockdown pointless. Everyone is roaring to go back to normal, but no one has a concrete way on how to do it..any sane person would take normality back, but most understand that right now its not realistic
easypazz wrote: » What about the people who are not getting medical procedures, thinking about suicide and the homeless who need houses by next winter. We can't go all in on this "everybody does count" with the virus. There are other issues out there that need to be dealt with but can't be if we are in lockdown.
easypazz wrote: » Instead of a creche having say 30 kids mingling they split into 3 groups of 10.
easypazz wrote: » I don't think anybody expects the old "normal" We can make changes that reduce the risk to a level that can be managed.
Cupatae wrote: » The problem with the "lets go back to normal instantly!" brigade is they dont see it ll make the whole lockdown pointless. Everyone is roaring to go back to normal, but no one has a concrete way on how to do it..any sane person would take normality back, but most understand that right now its not realistic Plus we need to have some sort of control of the first wave, in order to contain other outbreaks.
the kelt wrote: » Completely and for quite a while in all probability. But what's the point of all this if it's not to get back to normality and surely people yearning and wanting that isn't dangerous, rather its necessary. Otherwise what's the point.? People need to want it
Xertz wrote: » I'd also just remind people that a significant % of the economy still is running: Food supply, essential retail, a large % of manufacturing, financial services and a lot of office-based businesses are working with remote working strategies, the IT sector is largely working remotely, telecommunications companies are extremely busy and working, broadcasters and media, a very large % of public servants are working, obviously healthcare is extremely busy and working flat out, logistics companies and transport services and quite a lot of other areas of the economy are still functioning as normal or even are busier than normal. The fact we've had food on the table, supermarkets to go to and are still able to post on boards.ie means a lot of services are up and running. So, while we are on a lock down it's not an absolute stop of the entire economy, but it is very significant.
Cupatae wrote: » Where do you go then? you cant have it all... its a no win situation.
Diairist wrote: » Let's watch Spain over the next week. It's a very brave decision to tell your country, let's ease up on the lockdown. And we're still not properly counting covid19 deaths in nursing homes.
Cupatae wrote: » That is the goal, but we need the lockdown to make that possible. You cant manage something that is rampant, kill off the first wave, then implement measures like that.
Xertz wrote: » Densely congregated settings are going to present a huge challenge though no matter what way you look at it and the only thing I could suggest is that we minimise the number of them to absolutely essential stuff like trying to get schools back up and running on some basis using blended learning (minimising time needed in class rooms and using a lot of other online resources etc) One thing we should definitely do however is remove superfluous ones from the mix for now. I don't think anyone in their right mind should be contemplating things like festivals, gigs, getting drunk and the pub and accidentally giving everyone a big hug or anything like that for quite some time. There's going to have to be a hierarchy of what's needed and what's not and we've a lot of things that are fun, but could go on hold until it's safe to run them again.
