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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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c montgomery

niallo27 wrote: »

Why would you say that, do you work directly with developing vaccines. Have we ever had a situation like this before, have we ever had so many patients to trial on before, have we ever had so many companies trying to develop a vaccine before.

I work in clinical trials and testing.
Yes to all other questions.

People who are more invested than I in vaccine research/development which I have read all say it's is 5-10 years away.

Look at malaria, kills hundreds of thousands every year, has billions invested in it and the vaccine is ineffective largely.

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

I know of a few house parties that took place at the weekend.

Completely selfish behaviour and not acceptable.

But thankfully we're not in a country where people can be jailed for such things.

That would be worse.

scamalert

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

hate to break it to you bur were going back to reality not insanity, most people i see outside everyday seem not as hysteric as some posters here, as they live pretty much normal lives with some adjustments, wont take long and many will accept reality is to live alongside virus and small chance of getting it will be the norm.

Stateofyou

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

Don't waste your breath, you can't tell some people anything. They feel entitled, sacrifices aren't for them, and if it's hard then "boo hoo" on complying with anything that helps anyone else and the wider society. It's depressing seeing such attitudes. This isn't the hardest thing we could go through. Refugees living in dangerous and poverty conditions in camps or surrounded by bombs and violence with the threat of harm and death all around them have shown through better spirit. Today after reading this thread I feel utterly disgusted.

pgj2015

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

if. there are illegal raves on every weekend in Ireland. the guards almost never find out.

Xertz

I would really like to see some clear guidance on big events. A lot of organisers have cancelled things for June and July - in Cork for example, a string of major festivals from arts and cultural stuff to pride is cancelled or postponed.

There are still a number of big events in limbo and I think it’s unfair on organisers not to just issue a directive at this stage to just cancel all mass gatherings out to say September.

At this stage we know it’s unrealistic to expect any major gathering to run, but you’ve a lot of people who are sitting on the fence waiting for clarity and it would be useful as they could put effort into alternative arrangements or at least mitigate costs.

Being unable to plan is worse than things being cancelled in my view anyway. As resources can be saved, disruption costs minimised and efforts put into future events, virtual events and so on.

Stheno

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Irish times saying offices may stay shut for months with working from home staying until then. I think that the government should be more open and not drip feed this.

Eh it's being reported in the press openly

What more do you want?

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

I have no interest in changing your mind but rather provide accurate information instead of misleading information.

Im still waiting for you to provide this accurate information.

niallo27

KiKi III wrote: »

It shouldn't be about being negative or positive, it's about being realistic.

We can hope that a vaccine will be available in 12-18 months, but there's no guarantee of it. As another poster said, that's a best-case scenario prediction.

Ya and he said realistically there is an 80% chance of it being developed so stop being so negative. It's not healthy, is there any bit of optimism in you.

Cork Boy 53

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

If the Gardaí`s new powers are kept in place they can be raided and broken up and anyone present can be fined and /or jailed.

pgj2015

alwald wrote: »

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement bu Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

we are a long way off curfews and prison sentences. people are getting 3 warnings as it is. thats not very tough is it?

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not going change your mind, anyway 80% chance is very high so no need to be so negative.

I have no interest in changing your mind but rather provide accurate information instead of misleading information.

Eod100

c montgomery wrote: »

Would people be happy to take a vaccine that has been rushed through ?

I work in Pharma and I don't think a safe reliable vaccine will be available for at least 5 -6 years

Something might be rushed through by 12-18 months but alot of shortcuts would have been taken

I'm not sure why the 12 to 18 months was mentioned so much. Only gives false hope. Saw earlier it could be within 3 years but even that sees optimistic in that case so?

niallo27

c montgomery wrote: »

Would people be happy to take a vaccine that has been rushed through ?

I work in Pharma and I don't think a safe reliable vaccine will be available for at least 5 -6 years

Something might be rushed through by 12-18 months but alot of shortcuts would have been taken

Why would you say that, do you work directly with developing vaccines. Have we ever had a situation like this before, have we ever had so many patients to trial on before, have we ever had so many companies trying to develop a vaccine before.

KiKi III

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not going change your mind, anyway 80% chance is very high so no need to be so negative.

It shouldn't be about being negative or positive, it's about being realistic.

We can hope that a vaccine will be available in 12-18 months, but there's no guarantee of it. As another poster said, that's a best-case scenario prediction.

alwald

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

There will also be prison sentences and hefty fines. The government is changing its approach based on the compliance of the general public. First they asked people nicely to stay at home but some idiots went drinking in temple bar or queued for a fish and chips in Howth. This led to stronger restrictions and enforcement by Garda...the next step is going to be like France as in curfews will be put in place and you can only go out if you have a signed document.

Eod100

KiKi III wrote: »

Socialising this summer will look like a barbeque and a few beers with a few of your friends out the back, or a picnic with a smallish group in the park - not packed pubs, festivals etc.

Yeah pretty much I'd say. Professor Sam McConkey was on RTE radio 1 yesterday saying pubs may be able to open later in the summer if people could drink outside while staying 2m away from others. Doesn't seem the most practical though. Not sure many people will be rushing into packed pubs even if they were open for a while though.

niallo27

alwald wrote: »

All articles with a reliable source use the terms "it could be ready" or "it might be ready" and not "it will be ready". The projections of 12 to 18 months are the best case scenario if a vaccine is found to be working after all the necessary trials.

I'm not going change your mind, anyway 80% chance is very high so no need to be so negative.

Cork Boy 53

KiKi III wrote: »

It's called being in denial.

As far as the poster you responded to is concerned it`s called trolling.

c montgomery

Would people be happy to take a vaccine that has been rushed through ?

I work in Pharma and I don't think a safe reliable vaccine will be available for at least 5 -6 years

Something might be rushed through by 12-18 months but alot of shortcuts would have been taken

channelsurfer2

Irish times saying offices may stay shut for months with working from home staying until then. I think that the government should be more open and not drip feed this.

Stheno

easypazz wrote: »

Its called a positive outlook.

No it's called delusion

pgj2015

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

The best places would be isolated houses in the middle of nowhere.

alwald

niallo27 wrote: »

There is also thousands of articles saying it will be developed in 12 to 18 months. Are you just going ignore them.

All articles with a reliable source use the terms "it could be ready" or "it might be ready" and not "it will be ready". The projections of 12 to 18 months are the best case scenario if a vaccine is found to be working after all the necessary trials.

MadYaker

No chance of the races happening I don't think. Pubs maybe will be open by then but there's no chance of a gathering that size.

BanditLuke

easypazz wrote: »

Its called a positive outlook.

Come on pal give it over. Stop trying to paint everyone who is being realistic as doom mongers and in the same breath saying you are being positive. There is positivity and then there is straightforward head in the sand Donald Trump type positivity.

Hopefully in a few weeks we can very slowly open up the economy again but stuff like letting the Galway races go ahead or letting pubs open up is pure fantasy.

KiKi III

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

Socialising this summer will look like a barbeque and a few beers with a few of your friends out the back, or a picnic with a smallish group in the park - not packed pubs, festivals etc.

niallo27

kwestfan08 wrote: »

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

Completely agree, people are living in la la land if they think otherwise.

kwestfan08

You'll have house parties and underground raves quicker than the pubs come back I reckon. Theres absolutely no way people go without socialising until 2021.

JoeExotic81

KiKi III wrote: »

It's called being in denial.

No, it's called a wind up. You're almost as bad for repeatedly replying.