irishproduce wrote: » It's clearly not everyone. It's overwhelmingly beyond any doubt an old and vulernarable people killer. That is just as sad, because we all have old and vulnerable people that we love and worry about. Yes anyone can get it but they won't be too adversely affected. If you don't bank the facts then you are at nothing. Scaremongering people is not the way to go because soon enough the strong and young will have to go and shoulder the wheel to get this economy moving so that there is resources to care for everyone.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Probably by that stage we’ll need to start moving forward, with or without Covid 19.
Deleted User wrote: Probably by that stage we’ll need to start moving forward, with or without Covid 19.
Xertz wrote: » To be quite honest, and I mean this as no slight on primary schools, but that does rather neatly illustrate the priorities of a certain bubble of the very religious, which I don’t think is reflective of the real world beyond that bubble. Even the Church itself isn’t making any fuss about those issues and is being practical Schools will have to reopen or we will have major issues but I could see a scenario where they’ll still have to somehow cope with social distancing measures, testing eg of temperature - perhaps parents being asked to closely monitor for any kind of symptoms and so on. I can see them being open but with serious limitations on a lot of risks over the months ahead.
Xertz wrote: » The biggest issue I would see is infections fly around schools. I’ve a niece in early stages of primary school and literally EVERYTHING was brought home and spread around her parents and into extended family : colds, flus, more colds and one Christmas she even came home with norovirus (winter vomiting bug) that had broken out at the school and which everyone at a major family Xmas get together then got! At one stage their household seemed to be down with colds, flus and mystery minor viruses every couple of weeks. It got to the stage you’d nearly want to avoid visiting. I can’t really see how we’re going to avoid spreading this around rather rapidly when primary schools reopen. It’ll just become endemic. Hopefully we will have more progress on at least repurposed drugs by September. The other odd thing in Ireland is schooling often isn’t local and gets driven by the way we structure schools around sponsor, ethos and often gender of students. So, unlike many countries where the school district tends to be local, once they reopen you’ll have parents crisscrossing towns and cities dropping kids off at different schools and you’ll be back to complex mingling and serious complexity contact tracing.
jrosen wrote: » Something will have to be done. We have had no contact from our primary schools since shut down. No guidance and no support to parents. There was one page uploaded to the school site initially with english and math works to be done in workbooks for the 2 weeks, maybe 40 mins work per day. Plus a project. Then another page uploaded with suggested websites to use. There is no way this is acceptable long term without real impact to the kids that attend this school.
s1ippy wrote: » No. Young people also die regularly from this throughout the world. Why would anyone who doesn't have to give their life wilfully put themselves in that position? Young people also stand to lose a lot more good years due to complications, issues with the virus recurring when their immune system is down and shorten their life expectancy dramatically. People should have a choice whether they take the risk with this virus, and most will choose no. So cut out your "shoulder the wheel" blather and stop claiming to speak with authority on any matters pertaining to this because clearly you have absolutely no basis for these sentiments except your own self-interest. I mean, your same logic applies now. We "need" the economy to be moving. The harsh reality is that the need which outweighs economic activity, now and for the duration of this virus existing without cure, definite treatment or vaccine, is to stop health systems being overwhelmed. I keep saying it but if you insist that you throw yourself under the bus at the earliest opportunity because you're tired of this situation, that's your choice. This "we" business can get fuçked, you might be expendable or a thrillseeker or something but I and the bulk of reasonable people are not willing to sacrifice themselves because you're bored.
khalessi wrote: » Have you contacted the school?
brookers wrote: » I am a parent with two primary school going children Personally I believe that the Leaving Cert wont go ahead and parents and students will just have to live with that.
Xertz wrote: » Well you could take sensible measures like one day on / one day off in primary schools to facilitate social distancing measures. Or even one week on / one week off with different sets of students. It’s not ideal but it’s doable for a few months. Secondary schools could definitely work with blended learning - mixture of online / project work and in class time to support that, but not everyone in at the same time. You would need maybe 1/2 or 1/3 of the students in at any given time. Universities should be already well able to do this. Most of them already have extremely good blended learning type systems in place anyway. Obviously there are some aspects like labs and so on that will need to be attended but you can come up with creative ways of keeping numbers down, just until we get at least the repurposed drugs that make it less deadly. We are going to just have to be creative over the next few months until we can get this managed safely.
Lackey wrote: » I would love for you to save this and set it to pop up in your memories when you are the parent of two secondary school children See if you still flippantly say ‘they’ll just have to live with it’ I’ve posted this already : It’s their last year at school with their mates Grad night, pre debs, LC, Debs, LC holiday, earning their own money, College/apprenticeships etc.. if you can't remember being young (or are pretending not to)at least try have a bit of empathy. You cant put an old head on young shoulders, and you shouldn't want to. I think The country will start to reopen in May Schools will be back in Sept
TCM wrote: » What does that actually mean?
Xertz wrote: » They also need extremely serious support from public health officials from the HSE. Principals should not be left on their own to make calls on complex health matters and I do not mean that as any slight on principals or teachers, but this is a technical matter and needs to be very strong support from technical agencies.
trapp wrote: » This is nonsense.
s1ippy wrote: » Fuçking why like?
[Deleted User] wrote: » We can’t hide from a disease forever. Eventually will need to move forward again. Sooner than later. Silly to think we’ll be staying in lockdown for years or even months.
jrosen wrote: » I would consider schools to be essential. Just thinking out loud here. If college doesnt start this year then where do the LC students go and what do they do? That then impacts next years LC and college starts. If we have kids missing potentially a year of school (if they dont go back to Jan 2021) where is this work made up? The abilities of students vary so much in normal times, ,but all that time out of school will have huge implications to the classroom and the teachers. This will just domino into the next school year. That aside I dont believe the virus is going anywhere so the question is how do we as a society move forward whist keeping the economy going and life moving on.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » The reasons for being in lockdown will be exactly the same in a few months as they are right now. If people go out and about, the numbers will rise. And they'll explode unless we go back into lockdown. It'll be a matter of balancing getting everyone to get it but only at the rate the health service can keep up with. The governments started by saying it would take a few weeks, and then another few weeks, then another few weeks. But the reality is that it will take months or years
trapp wrote: » There is no evidence that young people who get coronavirus and recover suffer long term complications and dramatically reduced life expectancy. It is complete nonsense.
The chan chan man wrote: » On one hand, they can’t open in sept if there is no mass produced vaccine, which there wont be. To open the schools then would mean all of this has been pointless. On the other hand, my view is we cant keep this up long term without this resulting in civil unrest/mental health issues/widespread unemployment etc. i know 4 people now who have had it (all under 60) and it hasnt even been that bad for them! The people dying had no more than 5-7 years left anyway at best! I know others over 80 who couldnt care less - they know something’s gonna get them sooner or later! As such, i would question if we should just move on with life and whatever happens happens... I’m not even sure if I agree with myself...but its a question the world needs to ask itself at some stage. And even if we do, again, this has all been in vain.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » What a horrible way to speak about older people, their lives are just as valuable as anybody else and nobody knows how long they have left. These kinds of comments make me question how some people think.
suicide_circus wrote: » the old and vulnerable will suffer and die if there is no economy to sustain them
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