MadYaker wrote: » Do you understand what clinical trials for drugs are? There are numerous anti viral drugs which already existed now be tested on Coronavirus patients to see which are effective. Some have already been shown to be effective. We will have effective treatments in a few months using drugs that already existed. This is much faster than developing a vaccine which will be next year at least. These treatments combined with testing, contact tracing, social distancing and probably mandatory mask wearing is how we get out of this lockdown gradually. Can’t see all that happening in the next 3 weeks though.
screamer wrote: » It may not be what you want to hear but there may not be a cure or a vaccine. Think of all the diseases that we currently cannot cure not prevent. We all hope for a cure and vaccine for this virus but time will be the only thing to judge whether we manage it or not.
Ace2007 wrote: » It's not going to be over though - why do you think it will just disappear? Let's save a vaccine is found to work, between trials etc going to take min 12 months - probably 18. Then it has to be manufactured in bulk and rolled out globally - and when that happens, they wont' just have 5 million doses ready to go in Ireland - potentially another year before everyone in the world gets the vaccine - so that's basically 2.5 years away from now. We need to learn to live and get on with things with this virus, but the best way is to stay in lock down a few more weeks, until the health system can cope and we have a better understanding of how other countries who lift restrictions get on.
alwald wrote: » First start by dropping the patronising tone and regarding the vaccine/cure there are no fantasies but rather observations.
JRant wrote: » If you think you need to call over to someone and have a chat from 2+ meters away then go for it. Helping your mental health is just as important as your physical health. Also, don't be listening to the jobsworths telling you it's breaking the rules. We have evolved as a social creature for hundreds of thousands of years. A dictate from Leo and Co a week or two ago is not going to override that basic human need to actually see and talk to people.
Stateofyou wrote: » It's not responsible though is it, when it's breaking the restrictions that are there for all of us, designed for us to work together in a common goal to reduce transmission. Boo hoo? Wow. Suppose hundreds of thousands woke up tomorrow with that attitude and flouted the rules, telling themselves they all have a very good reason and causing no harm. Where would we be then.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I keep reading sentiments like this and I just can't see it happening. There won't be any great awakening out of this. I fully expect life to resume in the same way as it was 6 months ago after this is all over.
Ace2007 wrote: » Society will be redesigned after this - there is no question about it. People and companies will act differently - no longer will you be going to work with the cold or bad cough - If nothing else, health and safety along with insurance won't allow it. Just like nowadays, if you have sick cert from a doctor, your not insured to be in the work environment - just depends on your sector if it's enforced. Office companies can no longer turn around and say that they can't support wfh when 99% of their current workforce are doing just that for weeks on end.
MadYaker wrote: » Go look at what they are doing in South Korea and Taiwan. That’s the road map we need to follow. Saying there’ll be no vaccine or cure is a fantasy and if you want to engage in fantasies I won’t stop you.
VonLuck wrote: » I was just reading an Irish Times article where they said that smaller construction sites may also re-open although offices would remain closed for “many months more”, with working from home to remain in place “for the foreseeable future”. Slightly surprised that the government is already saying this before the end of this additional 3 week period.
carolmon wrote: » Just to be clear I'm not begrudging the elderly couple their celebration... I was just confused about the restrictions after I saw rte report it as a good news story. I then thought maybe we are allowed to call to a friend's garden once we don't go inside (I was hoping as it's very tough doing this totally alone)
JRant wrote: » It's a good news story in the otherwise sea of misery we get dishes up. I loved seeing it and shows how people can be responsible while still maintaining the social distancing rules. As for the more strict restrictions they are "breaking" well boo hoo. This is an elderly couple and may pass away in the near future so seeing their family from a safe distance is doing absolutely no harm.
Stateofyou wrote: » Ah yeah, none of us would begrudge it under normal circumstances! But the rules are there and if this is allowed to go on and promoted by the country's leading news source, then of course it is going to cause issues including unnecessary confusion. It's ridiculous. Edit to add I sympathise with how tough it is going at it alone. Hope you can get some video calls in with your friends and loved ones!
iamwhoiam wrote: » I think they will have to allow the cocooned group a short walk outside soon ., We look out the window here and not a soul to be seen , the roads are quiet most of the day with the odd walker out exercising .There is no reason why a 70 year old could not take a walk avoiding any contact and be vigilant . Even if they did meet another they can cross the road and be 5- 6 metres away .The vast majority in that group are well aware they have to be extra careful not to be close to anyone
Diarmuid wrote: » That's not even necessary. If you have the symptoms, isolate for 14 days. The test doesn't really add a whole lot.
JRant wrote: » There's real hope that a vaccine can be found, they almost got one for SARS-1 but the market for it disappeared overnight. As for the rest, IMO that's just plain wrong. Society will go back to the way things were. Might take a little longer but all those places will reopen. We are not going to redesign society for something that can be managed with careful public health management.
paw patrol wrote: » I'm not blind to that fact people will die either way. Just that the cost of the current situation is too much on a lot more people. There is a more balanced approach - as I stated in my original post. staying at home on lockdown isn't the answer.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Have to agree it is irresponsible journalism . Having said that I can’t see a huge harm in it if they are distancing well and making sure the elderly are safe But yes it is against the recommendation .
alwald wrote: » There are other coronaviruses with no vaccine and while I am aware that plenty of trials are done there is still no certainty that a vaccine/cure will be found. No there is no proof yet as this is a new virus. All scientific studies will take years to come to final and clear conclusions. Testing is all over the place at the moment and countries are barely able to test people with symptoms never mind those previously infected.
JRant wrote: » There's real hope that a vaccine can be found, they almost got one for SARS-1 but the market for it disappeared overnight.
JRant wrote: » As for the rest, IMO that's just plain wrong. Society will go back to the way things were. Might take a little longer but all those places will reopen. We are not going to redesign society for something that can be managed with careful public health management.
Poorside wrote: » So in other words, flout the guidelines if you want to and just make sure you're alright jack.
Stateofyou wrote: » Well a trip for such a celebration isn't allowed according to our own gov't, and Gardaí at check points inquiring about what their essential trip is would/should have then turned them back upon discovering if they had of been stopped. So, very irresponsible reporting.
MadYaker wrote: » There are multiple anti viral drugs already going through trials and 60 different countries working on a vaccine. Haven’t heard a single scientist say there won’t be a vaccine. The viruses you listed aren’t Coronaviruses.
MadYaker wrote: » There’s loads of proof that previously infected people are immune. Have you heard about the antibody testing they’re using in Asia? These can give false positives which has led people to believe that some people got the infection twice but that’s not the case as far as I know.
