s1ippy wrote: » No. Young people also die regularly from this throughout the world. Why would anyone who doesn't have to give their life wilfully put themselves in that position? Young people also stand to lose a lot more good years due to complications, issues with the virus recurring when their immune system is down and shorten their life expectancy dramatically. People should have a choice whether they take the risk with this virus, and most will choose no. So cut out your "shoulder the wheel" blather and stop claiming to speak with authority on any matters pertaining to this because clearly you have absolutely no basis for these sentiments except your own self-interest. I mean, your same logic applies now. We "need" the economy to be moving. The harsh reality is that the need which outweighs economic activity, now and for the duration of this virus existing without cure, definite treatment or vaccine, is to stop health systems being overwhelmed. I keep saying it but if you insist that you throw yourself under the bus at the earliest opportunity because you're tired of this situation, that's your choice. This "we" business can get fuçked, you might be expendable or a thrillseeker or something but I and the bulk of reasonable people are not willing to sacrifice themselves because you're bored.
jrosen wrote: » Something will have to be done. We have had no contact from our primary schools since shut down. No guidance and no support to parents. There was one page uploaded to the school site initially with english and math works to be done in workbooks for the 2 weeks, maybe 40 mins work per day. Plus a project. Then another page uploaded with suggested websites to use. There is no way this is acceptable long term without real impact to the kids that attend this school.
Xertz wrote: » The biggest issue I would see is infections fly around schools. I’ve a niece in early stages of primary school and literally EVERYTHING was brought home and spread around her parents and into extended family : colds, flus, more colds and one Christmas she even came home with norovirus (winter vomiting bug) that had broken out at the school and which everyone at a major family Xmas get together then got! At one stage their household seemed to be down with colds, flus and mystery minor viruses every couple of weeks. It got to the stage you’d nearly want to avoid visiting. I can’t really see how we’re going to avoid spreading this around rather rapidly when primary schools reopen. It’ll just become endemic. Hopefully we will have more progress on at least repurposed drugs by September. The other odd thing in Ireland is schooling often isn’t local and gets driven by the way we structure schools around sponsor, ethos and often gender of students. So, unlike many countries where the school district tends to be local, once they reopen you’ll have parents crisscrossing towns and cities dropping kids off at different schools and you’ll be back to complex mingling and serious complexity contact tracing.
Xertz wrote: » To be quite honest, and I mean this as no slight on primary schools, but that does rather neatly illustrate the priorities of a certain bubble of the very religious, which I don’t think is reflective of the real world beyond that bubble. Even the Church itself isn’t making any fuss about those issues and is being practical Schools will have to reopen or we will have major issues but I could see a scenario where they’ll still have to somehow cope with social distancing measures, testing eg of temperature - perhaps parents being asked to closely monitor for any kind of symptoms and so on. I can see them being open but with serious limitations on a lot of risks over the months ahead.
Deleted User wrote: Probably by that stage we’ll need to start moving forward, with or without Covid 19.
irishproduce wrote: » It's clearly not everyone. It's overwhelmingly beyond any doubt an old and vulernarable people killer. That is just as sad, because we all have old and vulnerable people that we love and worry about. Yes anyone can get it but they won't be too adversely affected. If you don't bank the facts then you are at nothing. Scaremongering people is not the way to go because soon enough the strong and young will have to go and shoulder the wheel to get this economy moving so that there is resources to care for everyone.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Probably by that stage we’ll need to start moving forward, with or without Covid 19.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » As a 'species' from a clinic cold perspective yes. As a functioning society ...no. Fatalities have been low due to lockdowns and the fact that countries tried to save their healthservice. If we try to 'live with it'. That would not be the case. And its not the flu ...mild is not the word. I have heard many figures banded about as to how many are asymptomatic some say 10 % some say 50% some say 70%. Its not predictable who is going to die. Its not older people. Its everyone. So no...i don't think we will get to a point when people will simply say lets take our chances. I think certainly Boris Jonson getting it has prevented that.
ml100 wrote: » They are going to have to come up with something, no way the county can continue indefinitely to pay teachers who are not working, most kids from 1st or 2nd class on could use a tablet to access some online work, cheaper to buy tablets for the kids that don't have them than do nothing for the next year!
LilyShame wrote: » Yes teachers are educators.. And even the juniors spend 4.5 hours in a learning environment with their peers, every day 5 days a week in school. This is supported by breakfast clubs and afterschool clubs, taking some children up to 9 hours out a day. Private childcare providers might be up for supporting some basic curriculum over the summer months. Particularly as some afterschools are small. I know two in my area that want to get back to work and would facilitate it. Not sure how the fees would work...would probably need more state aid! I see some 6 year olds wash hands very effectively, but yes agree social distancing 6 year olds is not easy!We all need to think more creatively about this problem.. There has to be a way forward to educate young kids without assuming everyone has WiFi and own laptops. Again, very concerned that we would all just assume... Schools close til September... Let's see how the nordics get on in next few weeks.
Murple wrote: » I hope they don't rush to open schools too soon. Hopes or expectations of maintaining social distancing rules are pointless and only those with little experience of young children could think otherwise. Even visualising what school would be like if you had to spend the day enforcing 2 metre distance between children (apart from the fact that to have 2 metres between everyone in a classroom would mean only 4-6 children at a time). I think that would be very upsetting for children- sitting 2 metres from their classmates, no playing together, teacher can't come near your desk to help you, child can't go near the teacher either, collection and drop off a nightmare... Even seeing children out and about with their family at the moment and you can see how they just won't get it. Think about how people are advised to clean their shopping when they get in. What would happen with school equipment? Saying that children will have to stay at home with any symptoms- it just won't happen. We had a vomiting bug sweep through the school in December. We had 75% of some classes absent and yet we still had children sent in only to be sent home at 9:15 as they were obviously unwell. We had parents phoned by 9:30 in some cases and the children weren't collected until the afternoon. On one day we had 6 teachers absent and no subs were available. Even that issue- a sub teacher in one school one day and another the next and another school later in the week. At the moment if we have no sub, we split a class. How could we do that? The suggestion of having children attend one day a week, presumably on a rota, would be very difficult to organise if attempting to ensure that any children in one family in the same school attend on the same day. You could also have a situation where a family has children in several schools and each child attending on a different day. How does that help with getting people back to work? If crèches aren't open, there's no after school either. It's not as simple as people make out. I would also feel that if schools reopen in a format that is drastically different to the norm, that it could be a far more unsettling experience for children than continuing remote learning. I don't know the solution but I think as we just had the highest number yet testing positive, we are risking undoing everything achieved over the last few weeks. It will have to happen at some time but recent articles talking about reopening schools in a few weeks are I hope premature.
uli84 wrote: » September? How people are supposed to work if the schools are closed?
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Again, the situation changes over time. More hospital capacity and improved treatment will keep more people alive. Cacooning and new procedures to protect nursing homes should flatten the number of severe cases which take up a lot of resources. If the high risk people are protected to the greatest extent possible, then the remainder of the population will put less strain on the health service.
average_runner wrote: » Exactly only be 1.8m in the world has it and 200,000 died. Very small number
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Majority of kids don't wash their hands properly and as for social distancing in schools 😂🀔 Can you imaging kids who haven't seen each other in months staying 2m apart? Not a hope in hell.
youandme13 wrote: » Yes I am aware thanks,, my sons primary school has over 1000 students alone! What I was saying is older children understand more about whats happening and the importance of hand washing etc compared to younger children.
Ray Donovan wrote: » Have you been in an Irish primary school lately?? Highest class sizes in Europe! How do you expect social distancing to work with 35 students crammed into a classroom?
iguana wrote: » Except we did live with polio and we did live with measles. Ireland didn't even introduce the MMR until 1985. Before that kids like me got the measles, mumps and rubella. The vast majority of us felt horrible for a week or so with measles and maybe a bit uncomfortable with mumps and rubella. And the rest of the world continued as normal. Unfortunately some people were not so lucky and it's good that we now have a way to keep those illnesses suppressed to protect the vulnerable. But we did live with them, life went on, society continued. An illness that makes the vast, vast majority of people mildly sick for a few weeks, at worst, will not collapse society. As a society, we can and will live with it, if we have to. We will protect our vulnerable as much as we can. Scientists will work rapidly towards a vaccine and we are so, so lucky to live in a time where that is possible. But in the meantime, we are going to have to live with this for a while.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » We couldn't live with polio we couldn't live with measles etc. We can't live with this. It would collapse our society before we evolved to have immunity.
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