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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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[Deleted User]

JRant wrote: »

The 2km restrictions have to go as well. It was a daft one to begin with and was only introduced because of social media images of Muppets at beaches and such.

If some retail reopens (which I think it probably will) and tradesmen be allowed to work, then it goes without saying I think that the 2km restriction will be unworkable

lord quackinton

History Queen wrote: »

I'm curious as to why you have issue with people not wanting to get this virus? You quoted another poster talking about people in their 20s being fearful of getting this. Is that not natural? I'm in my early 30s, no underlying conditions, though I am pregnant. I'm trying my best not to get this virus for many reasons: fear of passing it to more vulnerable members of my family, lack of information on possible long term results of the illness, fear of harming my son, fear of harming my unborn child. Is it not natural and normal to want to avoid illness, particularly one with so many unknowns?

Fully understandable by your personal situation
Some questions are you public or private employee
Your partner is public or private employee
Are u a homeowner
This so I can understand your position fully

pjohnson

lord quackinton wrote: »

Another personal attack
Please answer my question
You are for the lockdown no matter the economic fallout
What is your personal situation
Where do you work
Where do you live
Are you renter or homeowner

How are any of those relevant in anyway?

JRant

JTMan wrote: »

The Irish Times has some details here on how restrictions are likely be lifted after the May holiday weekend.

Restrictions lifted on:
- Some retail outlets.
- DIY and garden stores
- Easing on the requirement of those over 70 to cocoon. This could allow for exercise outside of the home at certain times.
- Smaller construction sites

"Many months later":
- Office allowed reopen BUT ...

"For the foreseeable future” (until there is a vaccine?)
- Work from home

I guess offices will be allowed reopen but if staff can work from home then work from home will stay mandatory for a long time to come.

Hopefully larger construction sites are allowed open soon after too.

There's a distinct whiff of a Leo focus group coming off that article, which is nothing more than a kite flying exercise.

Maybe Leo should get out in front of the people of this country and let us know what the plan is. No more movie quotes or poetry lessons, just simple facts that people can use to start making plans.

Simple things like, if you can open up construction and hardware shops then the schools and creches need to follow suit.

I have a feeling they want to keep offices closed longer because they don't want to open schools or creches before the next school year.

The 2km restrictions have to go as well. It was a daft one to begin with and was only introduced because of social media images of Muppets at beaches and such.

History Queen

lord quackinton wrote: »

Another personal attack
Please answer my question
You are for the lockdown no matter the economic fallout
What is your personal situation
Where do you work
Where do you live
Are you renter or homeowner

I'm curious as to why you have issue with people not wanting to get this virus? You quoted another poster talking about people in their 20s being fearful of getting this. Is that not natural? I'm in my early 30s, no underlying conditions, though I am pregnant. I'm trying my best not to get this virus for many reasons: fear of passing it to more vulnerable members of my family, lack of information on possible long term results of the illness, fear of harming my son, fear of harming my unborn child. Is it not natural and normal to want to avoid illness, particularly one with so many unknowns?

rusty the athlete

Deleted User wrote: »

No one will die if they don't get their hair done for a while.

My wife attacked my mop with scissors yesterday and now I look like a cross between a coconut and pineapple.

lord quackinton

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly, I wouldn't trust you with a dog. Let alone how to manage a pandemic situation, it's just non stop outrage even though the entire world is on lockdown. You'd think it was unique to us.

Another personal attack
Please answer my question
You are for the lockdown no matter the economic fallout
What is your personal situation
Where do you work
Where do you live
Are you renter or homeowner

[Deleted User]

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The irony is the hairdressers will probably be the very last and the only essential one of the three. You can get pissed at home while you cook dinner but the hair issue will start to become more than a meme.

No one will die if they don't get their hair done for a while.

rusty the athlete

pgj2015 wrote: »

i have a neighbour, he must be in his 80s, he doesnt give a fcuk about this virus, he going driving, visits his family etc

Good for him, I'm glad he is using his common sense and maintaining his physical and psychological health at the expense of whatever the benefits that this so called cocooning is supposed to bestow.

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/economic-outlook-q2-gdp-lower-unemployment-jump-coronavirus-impact-goldman-2020-3%3famp

Please read and try and understand nothing will be the same again
If we don’t act now to protect our local economy we will suffer greatly

Remember what trump said a few weeks ago - Ireland does a lot of good work for us in pharma but it’s time those companies come home
The second part was barely reported by the media but the pressure on those companies to bring r&d back to the states will be too much now

Can those who are behind this lockdown please even admit what is coming And explain why they still believe in this lockdown madness

I can guess why posters here are so gung ho on this lockdown, we all can
It’s why most did not answer my question on what their personal situations are

Pure and utter selfishness

Honestly, I wouldn't trust you with a dog. Let alone how to manage a pandemic situation, it's just non stop outrage even though the entire world is on lockdown. You'd think it was unique to us.

facehugger99

pgj2015 wrote: »

i have a neighbour, he must be in his 80s, he doesnt give a fcuk about this virus, he going driving, visits his family etc

I would be the same to be honest, this crap of peoples kids coming to their parents house shouting from a mile away, its a sad way to live. then you have people in their 20's who are afraid to get it.

There's a lot of that going on.

Lads portraying themselves as being these great defenders of the elderly. Nothing but a handy cloak to mask their own fears.

lord quackinton

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/economic-outlook-q2-gdp-lower-unemployment-jump-coronavirus-impact-goldman-2020-3%3famp

Please read and try and understand nothing will be the same again
If we don’t act now to protect our local economy we will suffer greatly

Remember what trump said a few weeks ago - Ireland does a lot of good work for us in pharma but it’s time those companies come home
The second part was barely reported by the media but the pressure on those companies to bring r&d back to the states will be too much now

Can those who are behind this lockdown please even admit what is coming And explain why they still believe in this lockdown madness

I can guess why posters here are so gung ho on this lockdown, we all can
It’s why most did not answer my question on what their personal situations are

Pure and utter selfishness

[Deleted User]

robinph wrote: »

If someone works in an office then can't think why they couldn't get setup to work from home. Maybe they are not setup to do so yet, but the technology exists and not a big task to do.

If needed then any office jobs can be made to people taking it in turns to turn up to the office for half a week at a time and work from home the other days.

Beginning to suspect the 50/50 thing is how all software roles will go after this one tbh. It's just viable to do that.

SNNUS

[QUOTE=rusty the athlete;Must be the dumbest post ever posted to this thread.[/QUOTE]

Stick around there is good form...

rusty the athlete

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m talking about measures such as the 2km limit for exercise being reduced to zero, journeys even if they are to foodstores or chemists being reduced to 1 or 2 days a week. Also increasing the fines and /or prison sentences for those who still ignore the rules.

What utter BS. How do you enforce it? A gard outside everyone's house? How do you know how many food trips we make and who would keep count? Do you seriously want to criminalize people who go shopping or take exercise? Must be the dumbest post ever posted to this thread.

the kelt

Stateofyou wrote: »

Folks - why wouldn't a more extreme lockdown for EVERYONE for just another 3 weeks work really well? Where we take a hard enough hit and stay indoors/personal yard, expand grocery deliveries and Gardaí for enforcement and see where that takes us. How are other countries who are managing well approaching this?

And then what?

As I alluded to in a previous post one of the biggest issues isn’t the lockdown. People realise we have to do it, part of the plan to get on top of this is the lockdown we have to do it.

But after that what’s the plan? What happens then. Again as I alluded to previously we aren’t taking into account human nature and how people react in certain situations.

I can pretty much guarantee if in 3 weeks the people watch another announcement of patting people on the back telling them how great they are and you know what let’s just try it again for another few weeks the that’s it, buy in is finished and we will see ourselves in a worse position.

We need to bring people with us, recognise the mood, you can see already that people aren’t buying into this as much as they did before and that’s not simply because people are fed up, it’s because we aren’t being given a coherent route or map to get out of it.

Look at the language involved, maybe, we might be able to, possibly etc etc. Every week we are being told the next week, days are the most crucial, they pass and then the same again.

Of course it’s a fluid situation but people need to see where we are going or at least a general plan. For example “if we do this for 3 weeks and this metric ends up at this level then this is what happens, this is what will open”

And yes that takes a bit of gumption to do but it needs to be done for this to work. When you bring a mass of people on a long journey down the road there’s only so many times you can say we are early there, just around the corner turn that corner to see another stretch of road before the mass turns on you, and again that’s human nature and people’s natural reaction.

The worst case scenario is we kick the can again and then buy in for anything is finished and we are all in trouble. From a personal point of view I’m lucky in all this, another 3 weeks doesn’t affect me or my family or even longer, but I recognize people aren’t just fed up with the lockdown, to believe the vast majority of people just can’t hack it or just want everything opened up isn’t the case. Everyone is still on the journey but at this stage need a map of some description.

This isn’t a reason to have a go at the government either, think we have been lucky in many ways to be in a political flux and to date they have done a great job but they are running a risk here at the moment and another kicking the can down the road exercise in 3 weeks will be fatal. Now we have the really hard decisions coming up to put a coherent plan to the people which will require tough decisions without wishy washy language of maybes and possibly.

robinph

If someone works in an office then can't think why they couldn't get setup to work from home. Maybe they are not setup to do so yet, but the technology exists and not a big task to do.

If needed then any office jobs can be made to people taking it in turns to turn up to the office for half a week at a time and work from home the other days.

munsterlegend

JTMan wrote: »

The Irish Times has some details here on how restrictions are likely be lifted after the May holiday weekend.

Restrictions lifted on:
- Some retail outlets.
- DIY and garden stores
- Easing on the requirement of those over 70 to cocoon. This could allow for exercise outside of the home at certain times.
- Smaller construction sites

"Many months later":
- Office allowed reopen BUT ...

"For the foreseeable future” (until there is a vaccine?)
- Work from home

I guess offices will be allowed reopen but if staff can work from home then work from home will stay mandatory for a long time to come.

Hopefully larger construction sites are allowed open soon after too.

They also seem to be considering schools opening in a limited way.

JTMan

The Irish Times has some details here on how restrictions are likely be lifted after the May holiday weekend.

Restrictions lifted on:
- Some retail outlets.
- DIY and garden stores
- Easing on the requirement of those over 70 to cocoon. This could allow for exercise outside of the home at certain times.
- Smaller construction sites

"Many months later":
- Office allowed reopen BUT ...

"For the foreseeable future” (until there is a vaccine?)
- Work from home

I guess offices will be allowed reopen but if staff can work from home then work from home will stay mandatory for a long time to come.

Hopefully larger construction sites are allowed open soon after too.

Ned Led Zeppo

NDWC wrote: »

I swear people must get a kick out of posting drivel like this and winding other people up

All mouth and no trousers.Prove that it's drivel.Perhaps one of your supporters
can give you a clue.;)

FloatingVoter

Deleted User wrote: »

More than likely. Its possible the covid payment will be extended for people in those areas.

The irony is the hairdressers will probably be the very last and the only essential one of the three. You can get pissed at home while you cook dinner but the hair issue will start to become more than a meme.

Eod100

pgj2015 wrote: »

i have a neighbour, he must be in his 80s, he doesnt give a fcuk about this virus, he going driving, visits his family etc

I would be the same to be honest, this crap of peoples kids coming to their parents house shouting from a mile away, its a sad way to live. then you have people in their 20's who are afraid to get it.

If he doesn't care if he gets it and dies that's his choice but getting it risks spreading it to other people his age or immunosuprressed people, people with underlying conditions, nurses, doctors etc. Its a selfish act, I don't think his age justifies it. Its tough on everyone

[Deleted User]

billyhead wrote: »

Will the likes of gyms, hairdressers, pubs be the last to reopen?

More than likely. Its possible the covid payment will be extended for people in those areas.

growleaves

Yeah, it's a sh*t sandwich no matter which way you butter it that's for sure.

..and we're all going to have to take a bite?

mandrake04

pgj2015 wrote: »

i have a neighbour, he must be in his 80s, he doesnt give a fcuk about this virus, he going driving, visits his family etc

I would be the same to be honest, this crap of peoples kids coming to their parents house shouting from a mile away, its a sad way to live. then you have people in their 20's who are afraid to get it.

I can understand that, but if he or you got sick then you probably want hospital treatment and you put Doctors and nurses at risk.

Maybe you just say fcuk it and douse yourself in petrol and strike a match then no more risk?

iamwhoiam

Stateofyou wrote: »

Yeah, it's a sh*t sandwich no matter which way you butter it that's for sure. All I got is to try not to worry too much into the future. I remind myself every day that the planet's brightest minds are working together on a shared goal here, and I'm putting my faith in them. I think we're all just verbal diarrhoea-ing our fears and ideas and projections to try to make some sense of it or get some control on it... but it can be distressing to read or hear it sometimes. Mind yourself, we'll get through it!

And you take care too

trapp

Having been reading this forum over the last two weeks (while banned - this is life in lockdown!!) I've been very surprised by the general argument around restrictions.

It seems to, generally, be those arguing for the economy against others arguing to continue lockdown to save lives.

In this argument I would support the lockdown. Forget the economy (even though a broken economy will lead to many silent deaths also) over protecting the health service.

My worry with the lockdowns, not just here, but all over the world, is how they will impact on our lives.

Focusing on here, a lockdown or quite severe restrictions would mean the following;

friends separated indefinitely

family separated indefinitely

No social activity for anyone

No more weddings, funerals as we knew them etc

Grandparents unable to see their granchildren and vice versa.

For children, teenagers and young people a life alone without mixing with friends, making friends, learning social skills etc.

For children no more school, no more sport, no more clubs etc.

For vulnerable children and children from disadvantaged areas a prolonged time out of school, with no support from teachers or community workers would be devastating to their future.

An increase in domestic abuse and child abuse in the home.

Many, many people out of work and living with no purpose in their lives i.e employment, sport, etc

No freedom to go where we want, when we want, within reason.

Some of the above are obviously more damaging than others but effectively we're talking about the complete erosion of our way of life.

A vaccine within a year is the absolute best and at that it's extremely optimistic.

Stateofyou

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thanks . I feel for everyone , every house has its own little story and own little worry . Its tough on everyone . In my own wider family we are missing each other , missing grandchildren . In other homes they can’t visit grandparents in care homes , other homes have stressed Leaving Cert teens
Its tough all round but its not helping when posters think its ok to cocoon a generation for years .

Yeah, it's a sh*t sandwich no matter which way you butter it that's for sure. All I got is to try not to worry too much into the future. I remind myself every day that the planet's brightest minds are working together on a shared goal here, and I'm putting my faith in them.

I think we're all just verbal diarrhoea-ing our fears and ideas and projections to try to make some sense of it or get some control on it... but it can be distressing to read or hear it sometimes. Mind yourself, we'll get through it!

iamwhoiam

Stateofyou wrote: »

Gotcha. I genuinely feel for you (and every one of us in the same boat) and hope you get to see and hug your family again very soon. I know it's rough right now.

Thanks . I feel for everyone , every house has its own little story and own little worry . Its tough on everyone . In my own wider family we are missing each other , missing grandchildren . In other homes they can’t visit grandparents in care homes , other homes have stressed Leaving Cert teens
Its tough all round but its not helping when posters think its ok to cocoon a generation for years .

Stateofyou

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Taking the risk was not referring to a month or so . It does maybe read so but was in reference to posters who said we could cocoon for years . Probably didn’t express it right now that I read it again

Gotcha. I genuinely feel for you (and every one of us in the same boat) and hope you get to see and hug your family again very soon. I know it's rough right now.