Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: » You can drop the patronising "you do know" bit (never has a smug phrase been so overused as since the inception of this forum), I don't have children. So you don't have a solution for the many that rely on parents for childcare - we don't have sufficient childcare places to cover the extra children. Most people with elderly in their home are staying home right now. The essential workers I know in that circumstance have sourced alternative accommodation for the moment - that option wouldn't be possible on a wider scale though. Also the risk would be greater than it is now if everyone, rather than just key workers, is moving around.
niallo27 wrote: » we cant just say we all must stay at home.
Stateofyou wrote: » Slow your roll there, I didn't in any way shame anyone. I pointed out the risks that poster was considering taking in another month. The risks are the same for that poster as anyone else. Stating the reality of taking risks (anybody) isn't shaming. Reel it in, ffs. We are living, albeit not as we are used to or would like to. What kind of comment is that. Anne Frank and her family hid in an attack in fear of discovery. It could always be worse.
niallo27 wrote: » This it always could be worse response is bull****, of course things could always be worse, you were paralysed in that car crash but hey it could be worse your only paralysed from the waist down so her up it could be worse. Plus if Anne Frank hid for 2 years or whatever, then why cant the vulnerable hide away for 18 months until a vaccine.
niallo27 wrote: » Well if they cant get childcare, then one stays at home and minds the kids or a single parent then that parent stays at home. Are you seriously saying hundreds of thousands should stay out of work because some families wont have their parents to mind their kids. I never said this would be easy but we cant just say we all must stay at home.
Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: » I'm not saying anything - I'm asking you to consider that what you are suggesting is not as easy as you seem to think. Your posts certainly do make it seem like it will be easy. It reads like lifting restrictions while cocooning the vulnerable will be the easiest solution for you, therefore you think it must be the easiest solution for most people. Your posts give no consideration to the significant issues that will need to be addressed for many people.
niallo27 wrote: » I never said it would be easy, this is a complete ****-show. Of course it will be easier to cocoon the minority rather than the majority. Long term lockdown is not viable so we may have no choice, besides a long term lockdown how would you propose we deal with the more vulnerable in society. Just to be clear in no post have I said all the restrictions should be lifted or no where near all of them.
Stateofyou wrote: » It's not bs. What is bs is the hysterics over a few weeks of restrictions, stated intentions to go against gov't requirements and putting your family and health system/people at risk, and refusing to see solutions to challenges. I have not been a part of any of the squabbling here about older/vulnerable people cocooning. To repeat, I have only replied to the one poster who is a grandparent and considering breaking rules in a month or so. It's not okay for that poster, or anyone else. If we can all do our best to get through this and keep to rules and guidelines the safer we'll ALL be and sooner.
iamwhoiam wrote: » If you are referring to me at no stage did i say I was consider breaking any rule in a month or two . I said in a month or two I would fear for depression setting in I was speaking of preferring to take a risk if cocooned for years as some had suggested
Stateofyou wrote: » Folks - why wouldn't a more extreme lockdown for EVERYONE for just another 3 weeks work really well? Where we take a hard enough hit and stay indoors/personal yard, expand grocery deliveries and Gardaí for enforcement and see where that takes us. How are other countries who are managing well approaching this?
Tell me how wrote: » We are still at the point where we are trying to figure out just what the scenario is before leaving it all to a single demographic to make sacrifices while others start returning to normal. If, we get to a point where we have the ability to test rapidly (easy access, quick result) along with very dependable contact tracing and a healthcare system which can manage the Covid-19 patients which comes its way, we might be able to release a lot of the restrictions which are in place in relation to work environments. If, as some suggest, that the true number for those needing hospitalisation (and therefore the mortality rate) is actually much less as a percentage of the total population than we think at this point in time, then that too might support reducing restrictions. If, tests for antibodies can show those who are immune, resistant or post infection then that also might support reducing restrictions. If a vaccine is developed, that would also (at a much slower rate than the above) help with removing restrictions. But, for now, we have too many if's to reduce or remove restrictions but in 3 weeks, we will have more information to either support extended the lockdown, or starting to rollback.
Stateofyou wrote: » Yeah I'm referring to you and yes you did say you were considering it. "I think I might take the risk as not seeing my family or holding them close would kill us both here . We will do as told now and if they say another month we will do that but its very difficult to even contemplate much longer without a deep depression setting in I imagine a lot of my family and friends would feel the same"
JL555 wrote: » I would like to able to visit my dad's place who lives alone in the countryside but it's about 120km away. Even if it was to drop some groceries outside his porch and give him a quick wave, he's in his 70's. I work from home since early March, have had very little to no contact with anyone outside, but for him, even though he will not say it, it's hard. As far as I'm concerned that is an essential journey. If the 2km restrictions and the cocooning are extended beyond the 5th of May and stretched out to June, there's going to be some severe damage done to many people.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Taking the risk was not referring to a month or so . It does maybe read so but was in reference to posters who said we could cocoon for years . Probably didn’t express it right now that I read it again
Stateofyou wrote: » Gotcha. I genuinely feel for you (and every one of us in the same boat) and hope you get to see and hug your family again very soon. I know it's rough right now.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Thanks . I feel for everyone , every house has its own little story and own little worry . Its tough on everyone . In my own wider family we are missing each other , missing grandchildren . In other homes they can’t visit grandparents in care homes , other homes have stressed Leaving Cert teens Its tough all round but its not helping when posters think its ok to cocoon a generation for years .
Stateofyou wrote: » Yeah, it's a sh*t sandwich no matter which way you butter it that's for sure. All I got is to try not to worry too much into the future. I remind myself every day that the planet's brightest minds are working together on a shared goal here, and I'm putting my faith in them. I think we're all just verbal diarrhoea-ing our fears and ideas and projections to try to make some sense of it or get some control on it... but it can be distressing to read or hear it sometimes. Mind yourself, we'll get through it!
pgj2015 wrote: » i have a neighbour, he must be in his 80s, he doesnt give a fcuk about this virus, he going driving, visits his family etc I would be the same to be honest, this crap of peoples kids coming to their parents house shouting from a mile away, its a sad way to live. then you have people in their 20's who are afraid to get it.
Yeah, it's a sh*t sandwich no matter which way you butter it that's for sure.
billyhead wrote: » Will the likes of gyms, hairdressers, pubs be the last to reopen?
Deleted User wrote: » More than likely. Its possible the covid payment will be extended for people in those areas.
NDWC wrote: » I swear people must get a kick out of posting drivel like this and winding other people up
JTMan wrote: » The Irish Times has some details here on how restrictions are likely be lifted after the May holiday weekend. Restrictions lifted on: - Some retail outlets. - DIY and garden stores - Easing on the requirement of those over 70 to cocoon. This could allow for exercise outside of the home at certain times. - Smaller construction sites "Many months later": - Office allowed reopen BUT ... "For the foreseeable future” (until there is a vaccine?) - Work from home I guess offices will be allowed reopen but if staff can work from home then work from home will stay mandatory for a long time to come. Hopefully larger construction sites are allowed open soon after too.
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