KiKi III wrote: » You've asked this question a couple of times and I'd be interested to hear your own answer to it.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Someone is human, the tooth fairy aint. Anyhow, it was a family member
Tenzor07 wrote: » You might want to stick with Donald Trump's daily briefings so...
pgj2015 wrote: » things are actually going well here, why are they so negative about it? Trump is living in a dream world and I really wouldnt want him being my president but you could have someone who is somewhere in the middle. I want a Taoiseach that gives hope, imagine what he would be like if we were in a situation like Italy were a couple of weeks ago.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Also in my area anyway a huge amount of retired nanas and grandads mind grandchildren after school . So the back to normal means lots of workers have no childcare . The school pick up and drop off are very often done by grandparents m In my own family of 5 siblings four of us mind grandchildren or pick up from school for working parents
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » I would much rather watch and listen to him than the orange buffoon across the Atlantic.
Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: » Yes. People who think the elderly are easily isolated while everyone else gets back to normal seem to live in some parallel reality. The elderly play a hugely significant and vital role in many families and communities. They are not easily removed from the equation! We would need to implement widespread alternative childcare arrangements and rehouse tens of thousands of people to make it work at the very least. If those with serious underlying illnesses are included (since more than just the very select group asked to cocoon would need protection if we were going to allow the virus spread more easily) then we would be looking at a massive hole in our society and workforce, and a massive task to keep them separate from everyone else.
Tenzor07 wrote: » It's well know Varadkar has the personality of a plank, maybe Mick Wallace or one of the Heal-Rae's coud step in?
niallo27 wrote: » So the alternative is what exactly, keep everyone locked down. Nobody is saying completely back to normal, just a lifting of some restrictions. Its going be tough, but we are ****ed, somebody has to make some sacrifices.
Padre_Pio wrote: » Say I have a restaurant with 60 seats. Social distancing of 1m min means I have to take 40 seats away. Everyone is fearful of crowds so few are bothering to venture out. How does this work exactly?
citysights wrote: » Why is everyone here so obsessed with Trump seriously. Haven’t we enough to worry about, Trump is just like so many people’s deflection strategy.
User142 wrote: » Cocooning of the elderly isn't going to end next month. The UKs cocooning is for at least 12 weeks. Our cocooning isn't going to be 5 weeks.
Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: » And what is your solution for the issues raised about safely cocooning the elderly while everyone else has restrictions lifted? That's what you are suggesting, so how would you go about addressing problems of childcare and housing?
Tell me how wrote: » We are still at the point where we are trying to figure out just what the scenario is before leaving it all to a single demographic to make sacrifices while others start returning to normal. If, we get to a point where we have the ability to test rapidly (easy access, quick result) along with very dependable contact tracing and a healthcare system which can manage the Covid-19 patients which comes its way, we might be able to release a lot of the restrictions which are in place in relation to work environments. If, as some suggest, that the true number for those needing hospitalisation (and therefore the mortality rate) is actually much less as a percentage of the total population than we think at this point in time, then that too might support reducing restrictions. If, tests for antibodies can show those who are immune, resistant or post infection then that also might support reducing restrictions. If a vaccine is developed, that would also (at a much slower rate than the above) help with removing restrictions. But, for now, we have too many if's to reduce or remove restrictions but in 3 weeks, we will have more information to either support extended the lockdown, or starting to rollback.
Tell me how wrote: » Because, the US is a world leader in influencing opinion and also because his behavior is of such a magnitude that it is literally history in the making and so is of interest to a great number of people.
OMM 0000 wrote: » Why do you keep relating things to Trump and then complaining about him? Are you OK?
JL555 wrote: » I would like to able to visit my dad's place who lives alone in the countryside but it's about 120km away. Even if it was to drop some groceries outside his porch and give him a quick wave, he's in his 70's. I work from home since early March, have had very little to no contact with anyone outside, but for him, even though he will not say it, it's hard. As far as I'm concerned that is an essential journey. If the 2km restrictions and the cocooning are extended beyond the 5th of May and stretched out to June, there's going to be some severe damage done to many people.
Blueshoe wrote: » Some of the best minds on the planet work in American research institutions and for organisations such as the CDC. When push comes to shove it may end up that China infected us but America will save us. People would do well to remember which country they would really prefer as world leader.
niallo27 wrote: » Good post, I cant disagree with anything there but is anything there achievable in the next 3 months.
Tell me how wrote: » Don't entirely disagree. But, If the 2km restrictions and the cocooning are not extended beyond the 5th of May and stretched out to June, and this continues to be a highly infectious and debilitating illness which is hard to identify before several more may have been infected, many will die.
Tell me how wrote: » If you asked me to nominate a world leader right now, it definitely would not be the US. Richest country in the world and they are digging mass graves in NY while the President wondered aloud should they just let it flow through the country.
niallo27 wrote: » Maybe don't use your parents for childcare until there is a vaccine, you do realise there are thousands who don't have this luxury. On your second point, I am not sure who to address the housing issue but it has to be easier than keeping the whole country locked up. How is it working now, are all the elderly living with families now. The people who are still working, how are they isolating from their families right now if they are living with them.
Deleted User wrote: » But why is June then okay. And not July. Or September. Or Christmas? It seems completely arbitrary now. Either we keep 2km limits and cocooning until there is a vaccine, or we start to relax restrictions from May (keeping working from home for those that can, and as much social distancing as is possible). Don’t see the point in keeping this lockdown until some intermediate date between the two
iamwhoiam wrote: » If you lock a whole generation away they will eventually become a burden . Stiffening joints , mental deterioration , lack of freshair for some , lack of stimulation etc etc. And the very same risk of passing it on applies to every age group by the way The elderly are not more likely to carry it , or pass it on , they are more likely to suffer badly from it all right How would you feel if you were out and about and passed it on to a pregnant woman ? Passing it on is not exclusive to the older generation
Jenbach110 wrote: » Attitudes like this are perhaps one of the more demoralising effects of the virus. Its the shaming of the elderly who are petrified to become a burden. I can only say everyone has a right to a life and there is worse things than death itself. Not living is one of them, none of us are living until restrictions are lifted, the elderly included. At what point do the restrictions become a worse fate than Covid itself?
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