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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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ShineOn7

lord quackinton wrote: »

this time people are choosing to embrace the crisis and just like the 2008 scapegoats they will not be spared.

Who were the 2008 scapegoats?

Spencer Brown

Sincere Whispering Seaside wrote: »

The many elderly people in my family feel the opposite to the above. They all believe they have many years left in them, even if that's unlikely in some cases, and want to do everything necessary in the medium term to ensure they get to live those many years. They feel there's still plenty of life to live under the restrictions and believe it's mad that people can't suck it up for a year or so to get this sorted.

Suck it up for a year or so? If only it was that simple.

r93kaey5p2izun

The many elderly people in my family feel the opposite to the above. They all believe they have many years left in them, even if that's unlikely in some cases, and want to do everything necessary in the medium term to ensure they get to live those many years. They feel there's still plenty of life to live under the restrictions and believe it's mad that people can't suck it up for a year or so to get this sorted.

Stateofyou

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am in the 65/70 age . I genuinely think if someone told me i couldn’t see my family or hold my grandchildren for a long period I would weigh up my options
I am fit , healthy , look after my grandchildren before Covid , drive , travel , meet friends for dinner , go for long walks , swim etc.
I think I might take the risk as not seeing my family or holding them close would kill us both here . We will do as told now and if they say another month we will do that but its very difficult to even contemplate much longer without a deep depression setting in
I imagine a lot of my family and friends would feel the same

I can understand the incredibly difficult position you're in. But what happens when you become a burden on the health care system as do many others who feel the same way as you. What happens when you infect your family (and god forbid they don't make it), or they infect you- fine you're willing to take the risk but then who do you pass it on to before you realise you're sick. How would your family feel with the burden of knowing one of them were responsible for your death? Isn't all that the problem at the end of the day?

manonboard

JL555 wrote: »

23rd to 29th March average % change in new cases is +16.47%
30th March to 05th April average % change new cases is + 9.61%
06th April to 12th April average % change new cases is +6.92%

How much of that percentage change is due to the fact that the number is based on the previous week?
eg: After 16% increase, a smaller percentage increase equals the same number of people infected as before.

iamwhoiam

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think that is true, I think there are many of the older generation who might say, **** it I'm healthy enough I'm not going live my life hidden away if they are still stuck like this in a few months.

I am in the 65/70 age . I genuinely think if someone told me i couldn’t see my family or hold my grandchildren for a long period I would weigh up my options
I am fit , healthy , look after my grandchildren before Covid , drive , travel , meet friends for dinner , go for long walks , swim etc.
I think I might take the risk as not seeing my family or holding them close would kill us both here . We will do as told now and if they say another month we will do that but its very difficult to even contemplate much longer without a deep depression setting in
I imagine a lot of my family and friends would feel the same

helimachoptor

billyhead wrote: »

True. Some very old people will just prefer to chance it and if they get it so be it. They would probably feel it is what it is. They don't want to live the last year's of their life in a goldfish bowl. Sure you could be run over by a bus in the morning.

My MIL will be one of these, she goes away 6/7 times a year and was lucky to get back from Spain around the 21st March, suffers from serious FOMO, goes to the opening of an envelope.

She's got a hip replacement, that she never did proper physio for, needs another one, chronic smoker, functioning alcoholic, morbidly obese with a recurrent erupting hernia.

Even with all of these she'd go to a pub for her friends second cousins 13th wedding anniversary.

I expect once restrictions are lifted, she'll be out and about (she lives in rural mayo) and tbh probably dead within a couple of months.

castletownman

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ireland is too small to section it off like that. Wouldn't work

And yet even if it is too small, the virus hasn't overwhelmed the entire country. Large clusters on the east coast and in nursing homes, but it doesn't seem to be widespread, which I find encouraging.

citysights

lord quackinton wrote: »

Were you very young in 2008??

To this day
People still go on about the banks
And fianna Fáil
And the Green Party
And the water charges
And the usc
And worst of all how Brian lenihan was treated

I understand many young people are ignorant of what happened back then
It was hell, for me it was the not knowing daily what would collapse, what jobs would go
unfortunately those days are back again

I don’t want to argue or embarrass you or other posters but it is best we talk openly about what awaits all of us

2008 and it’s aftermath was not good. Obviously some on here will be too young to remember but yes, people lost their jobs, mass unemployment, wage deflation in some sectors which to this day have never recovered greatly, bailing out the banks, arrival of the troika, and other things like usc etc. etc.

Time moved on and things gradually improved. And yes Nobody in their right mind would want to go back there. Also forgot to mention mass emigration another aftermath of 2008.

billyhead

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think that is true, I think there are many of the older generation who might say, **** it I'm healthy enough I'm not going live my life hidden away if they are still stuck like this in a few months.

True. Some very old people will just prefer to chance it and if they get it so be it. They would probably feel it is what it is. They don't want to live the last year's of their life in a goldfish bowl. Sure you could be run over by a bus in the morning.

FixdePitchmark

JL555 wrote: »

Apparently the tests that went to Germany were from early to mid march. I've been tracking the percentage change of new cases since this began and if we ommit the German lab test back even only 3 weeks we get:

23rd to 29th March average % change in new cases is +16.47%
30th March to 05th April average % change new cases is + 9.61%
06th April to 12th April average % change new cases is +6.92%

You can see that the increase in new cases is dropping. The percentage increases are the only ones I'm counting, not inputting anything else so it's a basic model. I'm aware that the testing is not perfect and there are delays, but these are the figures on a high level and can't be snuffed at. I might input daily deaths into a separate one but would want to input other data to make the data more meaningful

This all looks good - and hopefully it keeps going down, but you need to be nearer the 2 % mark and we are a long way off that and like anything of this nature , the drop will drop as we get nearer the lower levels. You can already see that trend in your drops.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

They don't, unless you have your head buried in the sand. My parents were daily mass goers who now embrace television/radio as an alternative medium under the current circumstances. Your first sentence reads as a work of fiction.

I don't think that is true, I think there are many of the older generation who might say, **** it I'm healthy enough I'm not going live my life hidden away if they are still stuck like this in a few months.

KiKi III

Deleted User wrote: »

They don't, unless you have your head buried in the sand. My parents were daily mass goers who now embrace television/radio as an alternative medium under the current circumstances. Your first sentence reads as a work of fiction.

You'd also have to consider that a huge proportion of our priests should be cocooning for the moment.

Jenbach110

Deleted User wrote: »

They don't, unless you have your head buried in the sand. My parents were daily mass goers who now embrace television/radio as an alternative medium under the current circumstances. Your first sentence reads as a work of fiction.

You have pulled a comment out of context.
It may read as a work of fiction to you, I was making suggestions for implementing something far in the future

r93kaey5p2izun

How long do most people think physical distancing will be implemented for? Not the general closures and movement restrictions, but the 2m distancing? That alone has significant implications for a lot of things.

Jenbach110

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

So to adapt the old prayer, it would be a case of "nobody beside me, nobody before me, nobody behind me." Would mass really be mass without communion though?

Very poetic.

Mass could be adapted for communion though! Its just an optiom for some normality to be restored for a vunerable group.

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

So you suggest 3 weeks?
Well thats fine I was going to suggest implementing social distancing at mass towards July. Anyone can handle 3 weeks thats not an issue at all

Well yeah, that's how long current restrictions are in place.

After that, I expect churches will open to limited congregations with people most at-risk choosing to stay home.

My 91 year old granny hasn't been to mass in years, she's not able. But she enjoys listening to it.

Jenbach110

KiKi III wrote: »

A point far beyond "you need to miss mass for the next three weeks but you can watch it on the telly."

So you suggest 3 weeks?
Well thats fine I was going to suggest implementing social distancing at mass towards July. Anyone can handle 3 weeks thats not an issue at all

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Ive spoken to someone in the vunerable category who would be happy to take the risk eventually.

At what point do the restrictions become a worse fate than Covid itself?

A point far beyond "you need to miss mass for the next three weeks but you can watch it on the telly."

[Deleted User]

irishgeo wrote: »

The lockdown restrictions should be showing in the cases now after we get rid of the German backlog.

Apparently the tests that went to Germany were from early to mid march. I've been tracking the percentage change of new cases since this began and if we ommit the German lab test back even only 3 weeks we get:

23rd to 29th March average % change in new cases is +16.47%
30th March to 05th April average % change new cases is + 9.61%
06th April to 12th April average % change new cases is +6.92%

You can see that the increase in new cases is dropping. The percentage increases are the only ones I'm counting, not inputting anything else so it's a basic model. I'm aware that the testing is not perfect and there are delays, but these are the figures on a high level and can't be snuffed at. I might input daily deaths into a separate one but would want to input other data to make the data more meaningful

Jenbach110

KiKi III wrote: »

Yeah, never mind the fact that most people who regularly go to mass are the most at risk group from the virus.

Ive spoken to someone in the vunerable category who would be happy to take the risk eventually.

At what point do the restrictions become a worse fate than Covid itself?

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Interesting point. Few attend mass any more so social distancing would be easy in large churches.

I would like to see that implemented as soon as is possible, mass going was a great source of social unity for the elderly and hopefully that can return. Minus handshaking and the communion bit

Yeah, never mind the fact that most people who regularly go to mass are the most at risk group from the virus.

Loafing Oaf

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Interesting point. Few attend mass any more so social distancing would be easy in large churches.

I would like to see that implemented as soon as is possible, mass going was a great source of social unity for the elderly and hopefully that can return. Minus handshaking and the communion bit

So to adapt the old prayer, it would be a case of "nobody beside me, nobody before me, nobody behind me." Would mass really be mass without communion though?

KiKi III

Padre_Pio wrote: »

There's a minimum cost to open a restaurant.

If you're not meeting it, then it's cheaper to stay closed.

That's true, but the ones that are already open for takeaway already have a lot of the costs taken on board.

I'd say 30-50% of tables open, you're paying the chef, KP etc anyway, probably worth the cost of a waitress or two to open.

TheCitizen

lord quackinton wrote: »

The day we have 14 deaths we are told that there is a real danger of a second wave if we open too quickly
Proof if you needed that our government and the health professional advising them need to be questioned more seriously

The sooner we get a new legal government the better

The new government will include the current caretakers you’re sounding more and more daft the more you come out with

Cork Boy 53

billyhead wrote: »

Will the likes of gyms, hairdressers, pubs be the last to reopen?

Whatever about hairdressers pubs and gyms would certainly be in that category.

Irish_rat

With the amount of cases increasing can't see relaxation of restrictions any time soon

Padre_Pio

niallo27 wrote: »

If everyone is fearful of venturing out you will no issues with social distancing in your restaurant. You can serve the few that do easily. What is the issue.

There's a minimum cost to open a restaurant.

If you're not meeting it, then it's cheaper to stay closed.

Ace2007

lord quackinton wrote: »

The day we have 14 deaths we are told that there is a real danger of a second wave if we open too quickly
Proof if you needed that our government and the health professional advising them need to be questioned more seriously

The sooner we get a new legal government the better

Just to understand you correctly,

earlier on you wanted everything to reopen, now your reading some post and it provides "Proof", that there is a danger of second wave, when in reality we haven't even gone through the first wave - but your head is so far buried in the sand you don't even realise this.

KiKi III

I think restaurants will open after May 5 with limited seating. Pubs definitely not.