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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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willowthewisp

lord quackinton wrote: »

The day we have 14 deaths we are told that there is a real danger of a second wave if we open too quickly
Proof if you needed that our government and the health professional advising them need to be questioned more seriously

The sooner we get a new legal government the better

I don’t think there is anything illegal about our government is there?

Jenbach110

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess where religious ceremonies would fit into this timeline? Going by purely public health grounds, they should probably be near the end alongside the concerts etc. but that would probably cause uproar. Could you have 'socially distanced' masses I wonder...

Interesting point. Few attend mass any more so social distancing would be easy in large churches.

I would like to see that implemented as soon as is possible, mass going was a great source of social unity for the elderly and hopefully that can return. Minus handshaking and the communion bit

Ace2007

lord quackinton wrote: »

The day we have 14 deaths we are told that there is a real danger of a second wave if we open too quickly
Proof if you needed that our government and the health professional advising them need to be questioned more seriously

The sooner we get a new legal government the better

Is that so you can just attack them for whatever happens?

billyhead

Will the likes of gyms, hairdressers, pubs be the last to reopen?

Hubertj

lord quackinton wrote: »

Were you very young in 2008??

To this day
People still go on about the banks
And fianna Fáil
And the Green Party
And the water charges
And the usc
And worst of all how Brian lenihan was treated

I understand many young people are ignorant of what happened back then
It was hell, for me it was the not knowing daily what would collapse, what jobs would go
unfortunately those days are back again

I don’t want to argue or embarrass you or other posters but it is best we talk openly about what awaits all of us

People still whining about 2008 need to cop themselves on. With your attitude you’re not going to achieve anything. Be positive. Need to trust that the steps taken by government and Europe to support economy will soften the blows coming and help recovery.

niallo27

Blueshoe wrote: »

They deliver out to your house. Nobody is calling in to sit down

People are calling to collect their food, you said people would have to cook their own food though plus would you not expect clean cutlery.

TheCitizen

lord quackinton wrote: »

Were you very young in 2008??

To this day
People still go on about the banks
And fianna Fáil
And the Green Party
And the water charges
And the usc
And worst of all how Brian lenihan was treated

I understand many young people are ignorant of what happened back then
It was hell, for me it was the not knowing daily what would collapse, what jobs would go
unfortunately those days are back again

I don’t want to argue or embarrass you or other posters but it is best we talk openly about what awaits all of us

LOL you’re embarrassing no one but yourself pal with your “there will be blood” hysterical fúckwittery.

Jenbach110

KiKi III wrote: »

This kinda sh1tposting doesn’t make your opinions seem very informed.

It was sarcasm loaded response.
I hoped someone might get a smile from it.

lord quackinton

The day we have 14 deaths we are told that there is a real danger of a second wave if we open too quickly
Proof if you needed that our government and the health professional advising them need to be questioned more seriously

The sooner we get a new legal government the better

Blueshoe

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise take aways and restaurants doing take aways are open throughout the country right now.

They deliver out to your house. Nobody is calling in to sit down

niallo27

Blueshoe wrote: »

You can have 5 seats but no staff can come close to the table to take the order or place the food on the table. Staff also can't handle the cutlery. Kitchen staff cannot handle the food that will be brought out to people either unfortunately.

So really you will have a restaurant with 5 unset tables. People will have to come in and cook for themselves, set the table and then clean up afterwards. They will then tap a card at a till operated from behind a plastic wall.

But the next people won't be able to touch the cutlery , kitchen equipment or food handled by the first crowd so you can have 5 customers a day and will have to surgically clean everything at the end of the day.

You do realise take aways and restaurants doing take aways are open throughout the country right now.

Blueshoe

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Say I have a restaurant with 60 seats.

Social distancing of 1m min means I have to take 40 seats away. Everyone is fearful of crowds so few are bothering to venture out. How does this work exactly?

You can have 5 seats but no staff can come close to the table to take the order or place the food on the table. Staff also can't handle the cutlery. Kitchen staff cannot handle the food that will be brought out to people either unfortunately.

So really you will have a restaurant with 5 unset tables. People will have to come in and cook for themselves, set the table and then clean up afterwards. They will then tap a card at a till operated from behind a plastic wall.

But the next people won't be able to touch the cutlery , kitchen equipment or food handled by the first crowd so you can have 5 customers a day and will have to surgically clean everything at the end of the day.

niallo27

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Say I have a restaurant with 60 seats.

Social distancing of 1m min means I have to take 40 seats away. Everyone is fearful of crowds so few are bothering to venture out. How does this work exactly?

If everyone is fearful of venturing out you will no issues with social distancing in your restaurant. You can serve the few that do easily. What is the issue.

stephenjmcd

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess where religious ceremonies would fit into this timeline? Going by purely public health grounds, they should probably be near the end alongside the concerts etc. but that would probably cause uproar. Could you have 'socially distanced' masses I wonder...

Not a problem
https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/worship-takes-the-wheel-at-german-good-friday-drive-in-1.1586534037737

KiKi III

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Would it be worth extending the restrictions for maybe 20 years? A just in case approach.
The only pressing issue would be that Liverpool would then be 50 years waiting on a title

This kinda sh1tposting doesn’t make your opinions seem very informed.

lord quackinton

TheCitizen wrote: »

Who were the ‘08 scapegoats? In ‘08 it would have been easier for anger to be manifested in public unrest and bar a few largely peaceful demonstrations nothing much happened. There will be no unrest on account of this Covid crisis and the response to it, nothing at all. You’re scaremongering and talking gibberish like several others at different points in this thread

Were you very young in 2008??

To this day
People still go on about the banks
And fianna Fáil
And the Green Party
And the water charges
And the usc
And worst of all how Brian lenihan was treated

I understand many young people are ignorant of what happened back then
It was hell, for me it was the not knowing daily what would collapse, what jobs would go
unfortunately those days are back again

I don’t want to argue or embarrass you or other posters but it is best we talk openly about what awaits all of us

Gavlor

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Say I have a restaurant with 60 seats.

Social distancing of 1m min means I have to take 40 seats away. Everyone is fearful of crowds so few are bothering to venture out. How does this work exactly?

There’s a difference between won’t open and can’t open. If your particular business model doesn’t fit the social distancing criteria then you probably won’t open until that aspect is lifted. But a lift of total lockdown means you can open which at least starts the wheel turning again.

Deeper Blue

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

The restrictions should not be lifted till a vaccine is made available to the entire world.
I believe the current restrictions will be still in place for the next 1-2 years.

I swear people must get a kick out of posting drivel like this and winding other people up

Loafing Oaf

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Middle of may might be a little early. The initial restrictions on some business might be lifted first week of may, hair dressers, cafes doing take outs etc. Give that 2 weeks to see where we're at, then more businesses get added into the services allowed to open. Hopefully by the start of June depending on where we're at you might see what would have been deemed non essential offices start to open.

Depending then on how things are going end of June only then you might see hotels, restaurants & bars being allowed to open but with reduced capacity to start with.

Concerts and sports events, july for small events under 1k, August maybe for those above that but with capacity still limited.

That's all just a guess on my part but it's taking into account the very slow reopening that'll be done in stages followed by a review of the data after each stage to see if we can progress to the next set of reopenings

Anyone hazard a guess where religious ceremonies would fit into this timeline? Going by purely public health grounds, they should probably be near the end alongside the concerts etc. but that would probably cause uproar. Could you have 'socially distanced' masses I wonder...

KrustyUCC

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well if Ciara Kelly says we need to lift restrictions what are we waiting for?

What did she say that you disagree with?

Padre_Pio

martingriff wrote: »

So what do you think will happen.

I for 1 believe by the 5th there will be a lifting where shops and restaurant can open with conditions attached. For restaurants it will be spacing restriction and for shop they may have to limit the amount in at 1 time. Those who can should still work from home and construction sites will have to have masks and gloves and cleaning orders

Say I have a restaurant with 60 seats.

Social distancing of 1m min means I have to take 40 seats away. Everyone is fearful of crowds so few are bothering to venture out. How does this work exactly?

Jenbach110

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

The restrictions should not be lifted till a vaccine is made available to the entire world.
I believe the current restrictions will be still in place for the next 1-2 years.

Would it be worth extending the restrictions for maybe 20 years? A just in case approach.
The only pressing issue would be that Liverpool would then be 50 years waiting on a title

TheCitizen

lord quackinton wrote: »

its early in this crisis and many people are not thinking straight, its all kumbaya at the moment

wait until the generous 350 becomes 203 and is means tested
wait until the public sector have there wages cut
wait until taxes increase
wait until the private sector turn on the public sector
wait until everyone turns on those claiming benefits many through no fault of their own

i said before in relation to this lockdown that there will be blood.
people will turn on those who championed this lock down - the politicians, the health experts and the public state employees who backed and policed this lockdown.
if you dont believe me look at the scapegoats of 2008, when it was an economic global crisis that was to blame.
this time people are choosing to embrace the crisis and just like the 2008 scapegoats they will not be spared.

Who were the ‘08 scapegoats? In ‘08 it would have been easier for anger to be manifested in public unrest and bar a few largely peaceful demonstrations nothing much happened. There will be no unrest on account of this Covid crisis and the response to it, nothing at all. You’re scaremongering and talking gibberish like several others at different points in this thread

Phoebas

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Is there any evidence we can get the job done in one go? Other coronavirus strains are able to reactivate and cause anything from asymptomatic shedding to full symptoms. If that is the case with this strain it means restrictions until vaccine is rolled out if the virus is to be contained as much as possible.

No. Far too late for that.
Restrictions of one kind or another for a couple of years.

Ned Led Zeppo

The restrictions should not be lifted till a vaccine is made available to the entire world.
I believe the current restrictions will be still in place for the next 1-2 years.

yosemitesam1

KiKi III wrote: »

There is also encouraging data around the rate of hospitalisation and need for ICU if these numbers are correct which it seems they are.

https://mobile.twitter.com/datavizireland?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248292473476198400&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fembed.scribblelive.com%2Fwidgets%2Fembed%2Fpost.aspx%3Fpost-id%3D1187710614

If this is right, the restrictions are working really well. We should resist the illogical but tempting urge to say “these restrictions should be lifted because they are working really well.”

That would only result in us going back into another lockdown again, which would be really hard to take. Let’s get the job done now.

Is there any evidence we can get the job done in one go? Other coronavirus strains are able to reactivate and cause anything from asymptomatic shedding to full symptoms. If that is the case with this strain it means restrictions until vaccine is rolled out if the virus is to be contained as much as possible.

C.O.Y.B.I.B

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to be more specific than 'community transmission' in a lot of cases

But I'm thinking that we should soon be seeing the results of our lockdown. Most people I know are in contact with a very small number of people. Assuming 90% of people are the same it should be possible to trace (and publish) sources of community transmission fairly soon .It would give a good insight into sources of community transmission.
What would be needed would be fast turnaround on testing , but again lockdown being observed by the majority should mean less people getting tested .
I also think with the existing increased awareness around transmission along with the information from above , we might be able to better stay on top of this .

lord quackinton

its early in this crisis and many people are not thinking straight, its all kumbaya at the moment

wait until the generous 350 becomes 203 and is means tested
wait until the public sector have there wages cut
wait until taxes increase
wait until the private sector turn on the public sector
wait until everyone turns on those claiming benefits many through no fault of their own

i said before in relation to this lockdown that there will be blood.
people will turn on those who championed this lock down - the politicians, the health experts and the public state employees who backed and policed this lockdown.
if you dont believe me look at the scapegoats of 2008, when it was an economic global crisis that was to blame.
this time people are choosing to embrace the crisis and just like the 2008 scapegoats they will not be spared.

martingriff

ShineOn7 wrote: »

My lord above, lamp lightning Jaysus. Give me strength

Time to unfollow this thread for a bit. Some people are dreaming

So what do you think will happen.

I for 1 believe by the 5th there will be a lifting where shops and restaurant can open with conditions attached. For restaurants it will be spacing restriction and for shop they may have to limit the amount in at 1 time. Those who can should still work from home and construction sites will have to have masks and gloves and cleaning orders

Padre_Pio

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm sorry, my OCD won't let me not correct you.

Both are averages.
There are 3 types of average- Mean, Median and Mode.

You're completely right, I put that in because when people say "average" they're nearly always talking about the mean.