KiKi III wrote: » Exactly. It’s not talked about as much on here but widespread testing with results in 48 hours max (ideally 24) plus scaled up contact tracing will be crucial to the easing of restrictions.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Singapore and Hong Kong have been forced to reintroduce restrictions that had been lifted due to a rise in cases. No western country wants to get in to this cycle of opening up and shutting down a week or two later. It would be horrendous. This is about buying time to a vaccine ultimately and how to best manage in the interim. We need to get our house in order in terms of testing and intervention as Dr Holohan keeps saying.
SNNUS wrote: » You are sentencing everyone to prison even though they are following the guidelines. The 5% who can't be policed will not change no matter what restrictions are put in place . stop scaremongering those who are conforming.
donaghs wrote: » In a recession, public healthcare will have cut-backs. Nobody wants this, but its happened every time. Lots of people won't be able to afford private health insurance. Suicides, substance abuse, etc etc. Life expectancy will suffer, depending on how bad the recession is. The question is where, but at some point, the economic devastation and its impact on the mortality rate will be worse than Covid.
normanoffside wrote: » Yes and by only testing those 'at greater risk' we are missing the majority and getting ridiculously inflated hospitalisation, ICU and death rates. I just hope in 3 weeks that we can get to a point where, as we were told, we would 'test,test test' and get 15,000 tests per day with a quick turn over from referral to results. Otherwise we will just continue to get false and wishy-washy statistics.
jmayo wrote: » We tried relaxed and requesting people to do stuff. A lot ignored it so it became tighter. So if Ireland opens up we will prevent a worldwide depression. I just love how this is now dressed up about having to open up to save our future health care system or save the mental health of those in lockdown. :rolleyes: Why the fook can't people just have the balls to admit they just care about themselves and not pretend they care about the health of anyone, now or in the future. BTW we won't have much of a healthcare system when we have dying doctors and nurses resulting from a totally overwhelmed healthcare system if this virus is just allowed go almost totally unchecked. Well before we had tight restrictions on travel beaches were crawling with people. We had beauty spots overrun with dumped cars, blocking emergency personnel access. And even this weekend we have small communities full of holiday home owners. So they may be generalisations to you, but they are based on facts. And we had poster all week complaining about not being allowed sit in the park. A fair few people are thick and appear to think the requests didn't apply to them. Then they became rules and regulations because asking a lot of thickos nicely did not work. And even since they became rules, some thickos still think they are above the law.
donaghs wrote: » You only get test if you contact GP and they refer you. Thousands of tests were cancelled also. https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/thousands-have-tests-cancelled-after-change-to-target-those-at-greater-risk-39080350.html How do you make a realistic model with this data?
niallo27 wrote: » When a poster says about lifting restrictions, they mean relaxing the restrictions a certain degree and not completely remove them.
donaghs wrote: » gr No one knows how bad things can get, but deliberating sending the world into a new Great Depression, goes beyond "what effects it is having on their pockets and their future earnings". The last recession started in 2008, most people didn't feel the effects till 2009. Four weeks into the lockdown, people are taking pay cuts, business are closing for good. You don't think this could have serious health/mortality implications for people? Again, its about figuring out an exit strategy, gradually opening up, accepting that this virus here to stay, that we can't make a vaccine in a year. That we may have to accept a slightly higher death rate this year, to try and prevent a situation in future where we can no longer provide health care for everyone for how many years the next recession/depression takes.
Jenbach110 wrote: » You have a staggering amount of generalisations here. I have seen few posters suggesting they want go to a beach.
Sweet.Science wrote: » Even Spain are lifting restrictions come Monday .
Sierra Oscar wrote: » They are easing restrctions, not lifting them. Spain have had far more stringent restrictions than Ireland. Only grocery stores and pharmacies have been open there. Meanwhile our list of 'essential' services is pretty comprehensive. The manufacturing sector is still in operation. Spain are only allowing their factories to open from Monday - most of them never closed here.
Jenbach110 wrote: » Why would you be in favour of something like this?
road_high wrote: » And there in lies the problem. We have not performed well with testing. Did no one calculate how much reagent, kits and lab capacity we had before opening all these “test centres” that have been often idle?
normanoffside wrote: » In other words we are buying time for the HSE to get it's house in order. They currently have no idea if the restriction measures have been working because the tests coming back are from people infected weeks and in some cases months ago. That's how I understand it.
jmayo wrote: » Kermit you are wasting your time trying to explain stuff to some people. There are more than a few posters, and people out there, who see this as a problem that affects someone else and not them. They see it as a major concern for older elderly people and those with compromised immune systems, etc. They are young healthy and thus don't see why there are restrictions on them. And they look at what effects it is having on their pockets and their future earnings. You have muppets that think the numbers should fall overnight once lockdown of some sort is in place. You have those that think the hospitals will be fine as it is only old and sick people that will need to get treatment. And they will be conveniently locked away out of sight. Sure anyway the staff can't get it as they are healthy. :rolleyes: Then you have the ones that think the rules should not apply to them. They have right to sit in park on their own, go visit beach or beauty spot. But they never think what happens when all the other me feiners decide to do likewise.:rolleyes: Some of these believ they have a right to go visit their holiday home. And why the fook should the natives mind standing in a long queue for essentials in a local shop as afteral the blowins will only be in there for a minute to get their ice creams. Yes that sh** has supposedly happened in small village in South East.
jmayo wrote: » They are young healthy and thus don't see why there are restrictions on them. And they look at what effects it is having on their pockets and their future earnings.
Jenbach110 wrote: » For what reason were the restrictions continued until May 5th? ICU still has bed capacity, death rates are managable. Was that not our goal? Why would hardware outlets need to remain closed? A variety of business could be restarted. Is there any chance these restrictions could be reviewed?
marno21 wrote: » The point of restrictions is to reduce the amount of hospital and ICU admissions to a rate at which the health service is able to cope. This has been achieved to date, and many of the admissions to date have been from people who got infected pre lockdown What would be the benefit of further restrictions? Is driving people around the twist the objective here?
Sweet.Science wrote: » Even Spain are lifting restrictions come Monday.
Sierra Oscar wrote: » Tony Holohan has made it explicitly clear in recent briefings that restrictions cannot be lifted until testing is consistent and result turn around times are brought down to 24 hours. The purpose of that is to aid contact tracing, so that when there are outbreaks they can be quickly isolated and brought under control. Contact tracing teams are also being significantly beefed up at the moment too.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The achievements you mention are under the conditions on society in place. Remove those restrictions and cases and deaths may surge. Then what? Not enough ICU beds, not enough capacity, system overwhelmed. The problem has not gone away just because of a few weeks of restrictions. The partial answer lies in being able to act rapidly on new cases, contact trace and isolate. We could open up some things at smaller risk. But the actual answer is in a vaccine and I feel we are in restrict mode until that point however those restrictions look at any given time.
mandrake04 wrote: » I work in Healthcare specifically Nuclear Diagnostics. People dying is one thing, but this disease can affect anyone of any age and some of those who survive could have reduced lifespan or reduced quality of life and possible neurological problems from treatment. We just don’t know, who wants to take the risk? Also just because someone may have had a mild condition it’s also possible that they might catch a more severe strain the next time.. we just don’t know. You health is you wealth.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » I`m talking about measures such as the 2km limit for exercise being reduced to zero, journeys even if they are to foodstores or chemists being reduced to 1 or 2 days a week. Also increasing the fines and /or prison sentences for those who still ignore the rules.
