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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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tuxy

This thread is a joy to read. Everyone being respectful of other opinions and finding common ground in a sensible manner.
If only society as a whole was like this, it would make combating this virus much more organised and successful.

Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

HOWS LIFE IN AMERICA.
Each and every time you respond ;-)

Add a question mark if you really want to know, otherwise it just looks like you are shouting in to the void.

Plumbthedepths

Tell me how wrote: »

Still haven't figured out how discussions work I see.

Life in America is similar to Ireland at the moment. Lots of unknowns, nervousness but overall still, where I am, a recognition that the health of society is what is most important.

HOWS LIFE IN AMERICA.
Each and every time you respond ;-)

Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How's life in America. My response to you every time you respond.

Still haven't figured out how discussions work I see.

Life in America is similar to Ireland at the moment. Lots of unknowns, nervousness but overall still, where I am, a recognition that the health of society is what is most important.

Plumbthedepths

Tell me how wrote: »

Circa 10k cases, 631 deaths.

Still wasn't in lockdown.

How's life in America. My response to you every time you respond. Only in CAPs.

Tell me how

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How was Italy on the 10th of March?

Circa 10k cases, 631 deaths.

Still wasn't in lockdown.

Plumbthedepths

alwald wrote: »

Firstly these words were on the 10th of March, when Ireland had 34 cases only and he said and I quote "Asked whether schools would be closed to curb the spread of the virus, the State’s chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said such a measure could be deployed “at some point in time” depending on what happened, “but that time is not necessarily now”.

Blanket restrictions in place on visiting at nursing homes and some hospitals, aimed at curbing the risk of infection, should be lifted, Dr Holohan said.

Dr Holohan said visitor restrictions – which were introduced in private nursing homes across the State earlier this week – had a major impact on residents, for whom social interaction was a key part of wellbeing.

While restrictions might be necessary in a particular nursing home depending on circumstances, Dr Holohan said there was no case for across-the-board restrictions. “We want to avoid introducing measures before they are really necessary,” he said."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-biggest-daily-increase-as-10-new-cases-confirmed-1.4198481

I am not defending anyone but on the 10th of March pubs were full, schools were open and life was normal so there was no restrictions whatsoever...did I miss anything??

How was Italy on the 10th of March?

Plumbthedepths

Cupatae wrote: »

I asked you politely not to comment on my posts anymore :D

P.s You could heed your own advice good lad.

If you did I didn't see your request so no problem I won't respond to you again , I hope you can reciprocate.

alwald

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-has-struggled-to-protect-nursing-homes-from-covid-19-1.4221555

Firstly these words were on the 10th of March, when Ireland had 34 cases only and he said and I quote "Asked whether schools would be closed to curb the spread of the virus, the State’s chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said such a measure could be deployed “at some point in time” depending on what happened, “but that time is not necessarily now”.

Blanket restrictions in place on visiting at nursing homes and some hospitals, aimed at curbing the risk of infection, should be lifted, Dr Holohan said.

Dr Holohan said visitor restrictions – which were introduced in private nursing homes across the State earlier this week – had a major impact on residents, for whom social interaction was a key part of wellbeing.

While restrictions might be necessary in a particular nursing home depending on circumstances, Dr Holohan said there was no case for across-the-board restrictions. “We want to avoid introducing measures before they are really necessary,” he said."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-biggest-daily-increase-as-10-new-cases-confirmed-1.4198481

I am not defending anyone but on the 10th of March pubs were full, schools were open and life was normal so there was no restrictions whatsoever...did I miss anything??

Cupatae

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Shock, horror others have a different opinion. Welcome to life and the real world.
It must be great to be an expert with a knowledge of the future.

I asked you politely not to comment on my posts anymore

:D

P.s You could heed your own advice good lad.

Plumbthedepths

Cupatae wrote: »

The people arguing against what your saying literally cant understand that simple logic. To them, if it doesn't instantly work and defeat the virus for good its of no use...

Shock, horror others have a different opinion. Welcome to life and the real world.
It must be great to be an expert with a knowledge of the future.

Cupatae

ShineOn7 wrote: »

100% this. Do they want freedom or mass deaths? They need to choose

Lockdowns are to mitigate a virus, not stop it

This is going to go: surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted --> surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted --> surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted ...

For how long? Who knows. But probably a lot longer than any of us expected

The people arguing against what your saying literally cant understand that simple logic. To them, if it doesn't instantly work and defeat the virus for good its of no use...

"Let the old die and fire the auld economy back up lads! the lockdowns havent worked instantly!"

Plumbthedepths

alwald wrote: »

Any link to to this specific statement?

Just for the sake of argumentation: https://nhi.ie/covid-19-coronavirus-nursing-home-care/ dated the 6th of March

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-has-struggled-to-protect-nursing-homes-from-covid-19-1.4221555

alwald

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

With infinite money and people who were sheep they could release us in to the wild around 2025. Sense and sensibility would say that play was idiotic.

2025 ?? what drugs are you on tonight?

alwald

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Chief medical officer told the nursing homes organisation they should not act unilaterally by stopping visitors to nursing homes. He f**ked that up spectacularly , guess where the clusters are? Mr Holohan CMO if you are interested.

Any link to to this specific statement?

Just for the sake of argumentation: https://nhi.ie/covid-19-coronavirus-nursing-home-care/ dated the 6th of March

Atlantic Dawn

alwald wrote: »

That's why you aren't a health expert so leave that to the professionals as they know what they are doing.

With infinite money and people who were sheep they could release us in to the wild around 2025. Sense and sensibility would say that play was idiotic.

Airyfairy12

Jenbach110 wrote: »

Very few are complaining that thay have to stay at home.

Most are realists and realise that staying at home is not the solution for the long term good of the country. Its driven by fear.

The €350 a week cant last indefinitely, and the public sector workers currently at home need to be addressed also, wages in this sector need to be reduced to €350

Never mentioned anything about the economy or the long term effects of this. Purely talking about people currently complaining about staying home and yes there allot of people complaining.
Staying home isnt fear based, it is literally the only way of stopping the spread of the virus. I dont stay home because im afraid of getting sick, I stay home so I dont catch the virus and infect vulnerable people or put strain on health care workers by ending up in hospital. If the lockdown is lifted we can all wave good bye to our economy and health care, that will give people something to whine about.

Cupatae

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

No I dont feel like a hero at all just sick to death of listening to people complaining because they have to stay at home, theyre literally getting paid to stay home too.
Not everyone in the country side lives on an acre of land and not everyone in towns and cities live in small apartments so dont know what your living situation has to do with it???

you re flogging a dead horse there tryna talk sense to that lad, only a select few are "worthy" of a response from him...thats the level of delusion you are dealing with

:D:pac::pac:

Plumbthedepths

alwald wrote: »

That's why you aren't a health expert so leave that to the professionals as they know what they are doing.

The Chief medical officer told the nursing homes organisation they should not act unilaterally by stopping visitors to nursing homes. He f**ked that up spectacularly , guess where the clusters are? Mr Holohan CMO if you are interested.

alwald

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Lol

No vaccine, no treatment, I actually don't know what's the point of tests at this stage of mass spreading to be honest. With the 70+ people cocooned it would be better to just assume every single person in the country has it and to test all in healthcare every morning for it and simply mothball any with a temperature for a full 3 weeks.

That's why you aren't a health expert so leave that to the professionals as they know what they are doing.

Plumbthedepths

dockysher wrote: »

Everyone can get through this lockdown. Anyone that taught different is self centred.

What part of you do not get to speak for everyone do you not understand?

Jenbach110

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

No I dont feel like a hero at all just sick to death of listening to people complaining because they have to stay at home, theyre literally getting paid to stay home too.

Very few are complaining that thay have to stay at home.

Most are realists and realise that staying at home is not the solution for the long term good of the country. Its driven by fear.

The €350 a week cant last indefinitely, and the public sector workers currently at home need to be addressed also, wages in this sector need to be reduced to €350

dockysher

Everyone can get through this lockdown. Anyone that taught different is self centred.

Plumbthedepths

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Lol

No vaccine, no treatment, I actually don't know what's the point of tests at this stage of mass spreading to be honest. With the 70+ people cocooned it would be better to just assume every single person in the country has it and to test all in healthcare every morning for it and simply mothball any with a temperature for a full 3 weeks.

Same here, the first positive case was February, still counted in today's numbers but they are either dead or recovered.
I will tell you my experience, high temperature and wheezing of breath no energy in bed for 3 days. Steroids from my GP for my chest 'infection' just before Christmas. Heard similar from several friends but what I have said is anecdotal.

Plumbthedepths

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

No I dont feel like a hero at all just sick to death of listening to people complaining because they have to stay at home, theyre literally getting paid to stay home too.
Not everyone in the country side lives on an acre of land and not everyone in towns and cities live in small apartments so dont know what your living situation has to do with it???

Basically you have no f**king right to tell anyone to 'suck it up'. The only person you get to speak for is you, you have no right to tell anyone else how they should feel or cope.
Basic stuff good night.

Plumbthedepths

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah I was paying for a pretty expensive gym before all this happened, they've been going for decades at this stage, I can't see how they will recover from all this. Last thing I want to do is go into a steam room when all this is over, breeding ground for disease!
That's one of the industries here I just can't see how they will recover.
On the positive side I've been walking and jogging a fair bit lately, it's really nice in this weather, and I'm lucky to live beside a huge park.

I'm 48, leaned over 5 years ago to tie my boots before a start of shift and was breathless. A dose of meaness pointed me to the roads to get fit. Ran 49 marathons to date many as a Pacer.
I reckon this crisis will do the national waistline tremendous good. Cloud and silver lining. Btw respect for being the bigger man.

Airyfairy12

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The only part of your post i thought worthy of reply, I'm a rural dweller bungalow on an acre can't imagine what people are going through confined to apartments with limited access to open spaces. So I wouldn't presume to tell anyone to 'suck it up'. If it makes you feel like a hero saying this stuff that's fine but you will like I have ,get called out.

No I dont feel like a hero at all just sick to death of listening to people complaining because they have to stay at home, theyre literally getting paid to stay home too.
Not everyone in the country side lives on an acre of land and not everyone in towns and cities live in small apartments so dont know what your living situation has to do with it???

ShineOn7

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

All this talk of people not being able to deal with the restrictions for much longer.. suck it up.

100% this. Do they want freedom or mass deaths? They need to choose

Lockdowns are to mitigate a virus, not stop it

This is going to go: surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted --> surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted --> surge --> lockdown --> lower daily cases and deaths --> restrictions lifted ...

For how long? Who knows. But probably a lot longer than any of us expected

Atlantic Dawn

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Do you not trust Leo and the PHET to protect us? I thought everyone thought they were doing a great job

Lol

No vaccine, no treatment, I actually don't know what's the point of tests at this stage of mass spreading to be honest. With the 70+ people cocooned it would be better to just assume every single person in the country has it and to test all in healthcare every morning for it and simply mothball any with a temperature for a full 3 weeks.

Plumbthedepths

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

All this talk of people not being able to deal with the restrictions for much longer.. suck it up.

The only part of your post i thought worthy of reply, I'm a rural dweller bungalow on an acre can't imagine what people are going through confined to apartments with limited access to open spaces. So I wouldn't presume to tell anyone to 'suck it up'. If it makes you feel like a hero saying this stuff that's fine but you will like I have ,get called out.