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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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FloatingVoter

Ace2007 wrote: »

There are real people dying, but that doesn't stop posters saying forget about that lets just the economy back on it's feet.

What is your solution for the LC? The is a pandemic that no country in the world is on top of - yet you call in shameful - give me a solution for the LC that every student will be happy with

Continuous assessment. Everybody at least passes the useless exam. Interviews / matriculation exams for the colleges.
Worst comes to worst they can have a gap year while the system sorts itself out. Given that most graduates have degrees in something they don't know why they chose in the first place it might produce a more talented generation. Less event managers and systems analysts. Less people allergic to cats and dogs training to be vets because the points are massive.

Off-topic, but one idiot I grew up with trained to be a marine biologist - he couldn't swim and was afraid of water. Last time we met, he was a hell of a barman.
The Leaving Cert is only important to those it's inflicted upon.

citysights

lord quackinton wrote: »

Did you know AIB bank where possible has stopped the drawdown on mortgages Citing the fact the land registry office is closed
Other banks will follow suit

This is done strategically as the banks know the housing market is about to collapse and the banks will be in a position where house values could be lower then the mortgage value.
The banks will be spend the next few weeks reneging on all new loan and mortgage offers
They will also be busy drawing up plans on how to get more bail outs from the state
This is dangerous times we are in and the government shutting everything down while not being honest with the public, for me is akin to treason

No I did not know that, the more one knows the worse it gets. What’s so saddening is that we were doing so well, the mantra of keeping the recovery going and it was slow in rural areas after the last crash but still it was happening, people getting back on their feet and now this..

KiKi III

MOH wrote: »

And yet you've spent dozens of posts insisting that off licences should be closed. And newsagents, which I'd missed. While claiming to respect the people behind the decisions that they remain open. So basically, you're either trolling or a hypocrite.

I just explained this: I have my own opinions, but unlike a lot of posters here I don't think my personal opinion is more valid and relevant than the experts.

Penfailed

lord quackinton wrote: »

This is dangerous times we are in and the government shutting everything down while not being honest with the public, for me is akin to treason

Could you be any more dramatic?!

How are the government not being honest with the public?

standardg60

suicide_circus wrote: »

it's poetic license, lighten up.

and my mother says i'm very clever.

Ok :-).

I thought you were trying to politicise it. There's already enough of that.

Thelonious Monk

JL555 wrote: »

The law society of Ireland has been lobbying the government about the closure of the Property Registration Authority (amongst other things) due to the exact thing you're talking about. And I'm sure the banks are lobbying on the other side to keep these agencies closed.

I wonder why the PRAI are closed, I would have thought they'd have provisions for working from home and the printers for folios etc could have some people in the offices. As far as I know most civil service departments are still functioning somewhat.

MOH

KiKi III wrote: »

I've said repeatedly on this thread that as I'm not a doctor, an edidemiologist or an economist, I'm not going to pretend I know more than people who have been working in these fields their whole lives.

We can all have our own opinions, but overall I think it's important to respect the experts.

And yet you've spent dozens of posts insisting that off licences should be closed. And newsagents, which I'd missed. While claiming to respect the people behind the decisions that they remain open. So basically, you're either trolling or a hypocrite.

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

Did you know AIB bank where possible has stopped the drawdown on mortgages Citing the fact the land registry office is closed
Other banks will follow suit

This is done strategically as the banks know the housing market is about to collapse and the banks will be in a position where house values could be lower then the mortgage value.
The banks will be spend the next few weeks reneging on all new loan and mortgage offers
They will also be busy drawing up plans on how to get more bail outs from the state
This is dangerous times we are in and the government shutting everything down while not being honest with the public, for me is akin to treason

The law society of Ireland has been lobbying the government about the closure of the Property Registration Authority (amongst other things) due to the exact thing you're talking about. And I'm sure the banks are lobbying on the other side to keep these agencies closed.

ZX7R

Poland plans to open it's borders on the 5th of May.

KiKi III

MOH wrote: »

Says the person who has complete faith in the advice of health professionals when it comes to maintaining a lockdown, but keeps whinging about off licences being open despite those same health professionals being involved in that decision.

So presumably, by your own criteria of judgement, you fall into the category of people who want to tell health professionals what to do?

I still love how no one cares that I also said we should shut newsagents. No big, emotional reaction to that one though, was there?

I have opinions that run counter to things the government has decided because I'm a human and not a robot but overall I'm happy to defer to their decision making, even on the off license thing, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

I've said repeatedly on this thread that as I'm not a doctor, an edidemiologist or an economist, I'm not going to pretend I know more than people who have been working in these fields their whole lives.

We can all have our own opinions, but overall I think it's important to respect the experts.

lord quackinton

citysights wrote: »

It is really bad news and people are already very worried, as you say who is going to pay for all this, mean while able bodied people who want to work sit at home twiddling their thumbs.

Did you know AIB bank where possible has stopped the drawdown on mortgages Citing the fact the land registry office is closed
Other banks will follow suit

This is done strategically as the banks know the housing market is about to collapse and the banks will be in a position where house values could be lower then the mortgage value.
The banks will be spend the next few weeks reneging on all new loan and mortgage offers
They will also be busy drawing up plans on how to get more bail outs from the state
This is dangerous times we are in and the government shutting everything down while not being honest with the public, for me is akin to treason

MOH

KiKi III wrote: »

This thread is basically divided between people who want to tell health professionals what to do and people who want to be told what to do by the health professionals.

And no, that doesn't mean we don't care about the economy. You can care about two things and have a primary focus on the one that is most immediately being damaged.

Says the person who has complete faith in the advice of health professionals when it comes to maintaining a lockdown, but keeps whinging about off licences being open despite those same health professionals being involved in that decision.

So presumably, by your own criteria of judgement, you fall into the category of people who want to tell health professionals what to do?

suicide_circus

standardg60 wrote: »

Considering yourself clever is never a good idea and best left to others to decide.
Are you referring to the Government or NPHET or just those who are dying?

it's poetic license, lighten up.

and my mother says i'm very clever.

Nermal

https://www.chrispaley.org/post/risk-vs-pleasure-in-a-pandemic

"It seems that society is willing to bear a far higher cost to save lives from Covid-19 than to save them from other diseases."

I don't agree with his conclusion, but his premise and calculations are accurate.

Media sensationalism/misuse of statistics has a lot to answer for.

standardg60

suicide_circus wrote: »

yeah but i thought i'd sum it up with a clever reworking of the Churchill speech

Considering yourself clever is never a good idea and best left to others to decide.
Are you referring to the Government or NPHET or just those who are dying?

KiKi III

suicide_circus wrote: »

well i am wearing a monocle

Put some clothes on!

Ace2007

citysights wrote: »

No they are not, indigenous businesses like motoring trade, hotels, opticians to name but a few are closed now and it’s not just about major players anyway. There are real people behind these businesses whose livelihood is now on the line. Imagine the stress of that. The country was really getting it’s on feet again through the hard work and goodness of Irish people and now look at where we are heading. Add to that leaving cert students not knowing where they are going as regards their leaving cert. I’ve a nephew doing his leaving cert seriously distressed not knowing whether he’s coming or going and probably many thousands more like him. It’s shameful.

There are real people dying, but that doesn't stop posters saying forget about that lets just the economy back on it's feet.

What is your solution for the LC? The is a pandemic that no country in the world is on top of - yet you call in shameful - give me a solution for the LC that every student will be happy with

suicide_circus

KiKi III wrote: »

Certainly adds a touch of class to the discussion.

well i am wearing a monocle

KiKi III

suicide_circus wrote: »

yeah but i thought i'd sum it up with a clever reworking of the Churchill speech

Certainly adds a touch of class to the discussion.

suicide_circus

KiKi III wrote: »

Is that not what we've been discussing for the last 302 pages?

yeah but i thought i'd sum it up with a clever reworking of the Churchill speech

FixdePitchmark

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Your usual cheery self today. I dont know of any reports i just read it on the guardian.

robbiezero wrote: »

Down in St Annes Park for a good while today. Good crowd around, but everyone keeping their distance and being sensible while enjoying the sun.

Was also there and on coast.

Was. Excellent, people all improving.

When we actually study this and contact trace, you will find people were getting this at this phase from

1) work
2) shopping
3) care facilities/medical facilities
4) mixing outside your family unit

Outside walks will hardly feature, yet people obsessed on line.

Government done well to hold against the hysteria

(Imo)

citysights

road_high wrote: »

I don’t know where this is headed but it’s bad news economically and a result socially. Not to repeat the bleedin obvious, but the longer this severe lockdown goes on, the more irreparable damage that is done - meaning massive cutbacks to social welfare supports and all other expenditures including health.

It is really bad news and people are already very worried, as you say who is going to pay for all this, mean while able bodied people who want to work sit at home twiddling their thumbs.

KiKi III

suicide_circus wrote: »

never have so few asked so much of so many.

discuss

Is that not what we've been discussing for the last 302 pages?

road_high

Can’t see the €350 per week level lasting much longer, if it goes beyond originally planned that’ll have to be pared back, same as the Jobseekers

suicide_circus

never have so few asked so much of so many.

discuss

Thelonious Monk

road_high wrote: »

I don’t know where this is headed but it’s bad news economically and a result socially. Not to repeat the bleedin obvious, but the longer this severe lockdown goes on, the more irreparable damage that is done - meaning massive cutbacks to social welfare supports and all other expenditures including health.

I don't think this can be avoided no matter what we do at this stage

road_high

citysights wrote: »

No they are not, indigenous businesses like motoring trade, hotels, opticians to name but a few are closed now and it’s not just about major players anyway. There are real people behind these businesses whose livelihood is now on the line. Imagine the stress of that. The country was really getting it’s on feet again through the hard work and goodness of Irish people and now look at where we are heading. Add to that leaving cert students not knowing where they are going as regards their leaving cert. I’ve a nephew doing his leaving cert seriously distressed not knowing whether he’s coming or going and probably many thousands more like him. It’s shameful.

I don’t know where this is headed but it’s bad news economically and a result socially. Not to repeat the bleedin obvious, but the longer this severe lockdown goes on, the more irreparable damage that is done - meaning massive cutbacks to social welfare supports and all other expenditures including health.

Thelonious Monk

citysights wrote: »

No they are not, indigenous businesses like motoring trade, hotels, opticians to name but a few are closed now and it’s not just about major players anyway. There are real people behind these businesses whose livelihood is now on the line. Imagine the stress of that. The country was really getting it’s on feet again through the hard work and goodness of Irish people and now look at where we are heading. Add to that leaving cert students not knowing where they are going as regards their leaving cert. I’ve a nephew doing his leaving cert seriously distressed not knowing whether he’s coming or going and probably many thousands more like him. It’s shameful.

trades and opticians etc are always required but hotels, tourism, etc are f*cked for the foreseeable future no matter what we do really

Logan Roy

citysights wrote: »

No they are not, indigenous businesses like motoring trade, hotels, opticians to name but a few are closed now and it’s not just about major players anyway. There are real people behind these businesses whose livelihood is now on the line. Imagine the stress of that. The country was really getting it’s on feet again through the hard work and goodness of Irish people and now look at where we are heading. Add to that leaving cert students not knowing where they are going as regards their leaving cert. I’ve a nephew doing his leaving cert seriously distressed not knowing whether he’s coming or going and probably many thousands more like him. It’s shameful.

Yeah but we've put in a great 2 weeks and just 3 more weeks to go :rolleyes:

citysights

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think most of our major players are still going in that regard though, farming, ICT, pharma etc.

No they are not, indigenous businesses like motoring trade, hotels, opticians to name but a few are closed now and it’s not just about major players anyway. There are real people behind these businesses whose livelihood is now on the line. Imagine the stress of that. The country was really getting it’s on feet again through the hard work and goodness of Irish people and now look at where we are heading. Add to that leaving cert students not knowing where they are going as regards their leaving cert. I’ve a nephew doing his leaving cert seriously distressed not knowing whether he’s coming or going and probably many thousands more like him. It’s shameful.