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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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KiKi III

Nermal wrote: »

It's divided between people still in touch with reality and those who believe we need keep under-65s indoors in case they catch a virus that has the same chance of killing them as a 9 mile car journey. To satisfy your credentialism:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1

One day, when the establishment regains sanity and changes course, you'll deny that you ever thought this was a good idea.

It's not news that this virus primarily effects older people and those with underlying conditions so I'm not sure what kind of 'gotcha' moment you think you pulled off there?

wadacrack

Bizarre guy. Your reporting on a pandemic . Should use Twitter as a professional platform. No chance this would happen with Sky News, CNN and maybe even RTE.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1249041891510964226

Thelonious Monk

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Ireland also has an indigenous economy, I thought this was well known.

I think most of our major players are still going in that regard though, farming, ICT, pharma etc.

Plumbthedepths

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You do realise that if the economy opened back up tomorrow in Ireland, it's f*cked anyway due to the incoming depression?
Ireland doesn't dictate the global economy.

Ireland also has an indigenous economy, I thought this was well known.

Plumbthedepths

Ace2007 wrote: »

No, but I replied to a poster saying there is no harm to be out in a car, well some poor soul has died today because people could not respect what the government have asked of them.

So you know that neither of those drivers should have been on the road? Care to share your knowledge of why they were out and about?

Thelonious Monk

lord quackinton wrote: »

Nice attempt at a dodge but you are playing with someone who actually works in This field
We are affected by the world economy but this country rebuilt itself after 2008 like no other country did
We actually were having real growth
We are a hard working and intelligent people and we are not completely bound by how other economies are doing
The longer the state is borrowing billions to pay welfare with no exit plan and no honesty on who will repay this debt
Let’s open the building sites, get key state bodies like the land registry, courts, probate open
The leaving cert should be done in early July

In short get behind us or get out of the way

You do realise that if the economy opened back up tomorrow in Ireland, it's f*cked anyway due to the incoming depression?
Ireland doesn't dictate the global economy.

Speakerboxx

Breaking point today.

Ace2007

Del Griffith wrote: »

... and? Were you looking for the road safety forum ?

No, but I replied to a poster saying there is no harm to be out in a car, well some poor soul has died today because people could not respect what the government have asked of them.

HeidiHeidi

Phoebas wrote: »

There are a certain cohort that are incapable of seeing further than one step ahead with the result that they think they know exactly what to do and everyone else just isn't getting it.

There are a lot who get so caught up in concerns about the economy they seem to forget there's still a deadly virus on the rampage out there....

Phoebas

Cupatae wrote: »

The people saying nonsense like that, im convinced dont really no what it is they are asking for...some could do with seeing what happens in reality, they might not be so quick to condemn 1000s to death. Clearly watching the devastation that happened in Italy wasn't enough.

There are a certain cohort that are incapable of seeing further than one step ahead with the result that they think they know exactly what to do and everyone else just isn't getting it.

lord quackinton

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Perhaps our brave new leader will have a toothbrush moustache. Watch the news, lad - our barren rock depends on the global economy recovering. We depend far more on the Googles of this world than we do on Uncle Diageo. Not ideal, but a fact.

Nice attempt at a dodge but you are playing with someone who actually works in This field
We are affected by the world economy but this country rebuilt itself after 2008 like no other country did
We actually were having real growth
We are a hard working and intelligent people and we are not completely bound by how other economies are doing
The longer the state is borrowing billions to pay welfare with no exit plan and no honesty on who will repay this debt
Let’s open the building sites, get key state bodies like the land registry, courts, probate open
The leaving cert should be done in early July

In short get behind us or get out of the way

Nermal

KiKi III wrote: »

This thread is basically divided between people who want to tell health professionals what to do and people who want to be told what to do by the health professionals.

And no, that doesn't mean we don't care about the economy. You can care about two things and have a primary focus on the one that is most immediately being damaged.

It's divided between people still in touch with reality and those who believe we need keep under-65s indoors in case they catch a virus that has the same chance of killing them as a 9 mile car journey. To satisfy your credentialism:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1

One day, when the establishment regains sanity and changes course, you'll deny that you ever thought this was a good idea.

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/harris-sets-new-target-for-when-some-coronavirus-restrictions-could-be-lifted-39120744.html

If true Fine Gael will be despised by the country
Politicians cannot hide behind the medical profession
The scientists and health professionals will never end the lockdown

We need Someone brave to step forward and end this compete nonsensical position we are in

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves
And let the hard workers get back to work to rebuild this economy the weak willed have let fall into a serious recession

Time to pick aside, Get with us or go and hide

OK. I propose your good self should step forward and solve the problem. lord quackinton for Taoiseach.:rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/harris-sets-new-target-for-when-some-coronavirus-restrictions-could-be-lifted-39120744.html

If true Fine Gael will be despised by the country
Politicians cannot hide behind the medical profession
The scientists and health professionals will never end the lockdown

We need Someone brave to step forward and end this compete nonsensical position we are in

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves
And let the hard workers get back to work to rebuild this economy the weak willed have let fall into a serious recession

Time to pick aside, Get with us or go and hide

That guideline of R0 being less than one is pretty fair. You're easily shocked, that's what most viewed it as...

CtevenSrowder

Cupatae wrote: »

Its almost as if ye are doing the exact same thing... except in reverse! :eek:

What calling him far left? I'm not, never have.

KiKi III

Cupatae wrote: »

The same health care professionals are the ones telling you what your asking for is a bad idea.

This thread is basically divided between people who want to tell health professionals what to do and people who want to be told what to do by the health professionals.

And no, that doesn't mean we don't care about the economy. You can care about two things and have a primary focus on the one that is most immediately being damaged.

Del Griffith

uptherebels wrote: »

Why would you make those assumptions? If he felt it was okay to ignore the restrictions in place, why do you feel he would be bothered with any other precations.?

You probably don't want to look at adverts.ie.

I sold a phone on it the other day, I left it outside and he put money in the letterbox. No problem.

Del Griffith

Ace2007 wrote: »

A man was killed in a 2 car crash in Kildare today, this despite the fact there should be little no traffic on the roads - another example of a live loss needlessly.

... and? Were you looking for the road safety forum ?

[Deleted User]

The reality is at risk people are going to have to coccoon until there is a vaccine, or at least an effective treatment.

Some sort of treatment is key that would prevent the vast majority from needing ventilators. Once we have that we can open up the economy. Before that I can't see it.

Cupatae

lord quackinton wrote: »

The health professionals - basically do their job to the best of their ability

The same health care professionals are the ones telling you what your asking for is a bad idea.

Cupatae

Phoebas wrote: »

And who then decides who gets turned away at the hospitals?

The people saying nonsense like that, im convinced dont really no what it is they are asking for...some could do with seeing what happens in reality, they might not be so quick to condemn 1000s to death. Clearly watching the devastation that happened in Italy wasn't enough.

lord quackinton

Phoebas wrote: »

And who then decides who gets turned away at the hospitals?

The health professionals - basically do their job to the best of their ability

Ace2007

lord quackinton wrote: »

If true Fine Gael will be despised by the country
Politicians cannot hide behind the medical profession
The scientists and health professionals will never end the lockdown

We need Someone brave to step forward and end this compete nonsensical position we are in

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves
And let the hard workers get back to work to rebuild this economy the weak willed have let fall into a serious recession

Time to pick aside, Get with us or go and hide

Recent polls show support for FG is up

Cupatae

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Yes. The idea being that if you merely think of the economy you are some far right animal akin to Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. Notice the accusation of me having 'right-wing sensibilities' because I pointed this out.

Its almost as if ye are doing the exact same thing... except in reverse! :eek:

Phoebas

lord quackinton wrote: »

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves.

And who then decides who gets turned away at the hospitals?

FloatingVoter

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/harris-sets-new-target-for-when-some-coronavirus-restrictions-could-be-lifted-39120744.html

If true Fine Gael will be despised by the country
Politicians cannot hide behind the medical profession
The scientists and health professionals will never end the lockdown

We need Someone brave to step forward and end this compete nonsensical position we are in

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves
And let the hard workers get back to work to rebuild this economy the weak willed have let fall into a serious recession

Time to pick aside, Get with us or go and hide

Perhaps our brave new leader will have a toothbrush moustache. Watch the news, lad - our barren rock depends on the global economy recovering. We depend far more on the Googles of this world than we do on Uncle Diageo. Not ideal, but a fact.

CtevenSrowder

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wondering myself what Trump has got to do the discussion .Is the calling of Trump names and derogatory terms an attempt to project the same insults onto posters here by association do you think?

Yes. The idea being that if you merely think of the economy you are some far right animal akin to Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. Notice the accusation of me having 'right-wing sensibilities' because I pointed this out.

lord quackinton

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/harris-sets-new-target-for-when-some-coronavirus-restrictions-could-be-lifted-39120744.html

If true Fine Gael will be despised by the country
Politicians cannot hide behind the medical profession
The scientists and health professionals will never end the lockdown

We need Someone brave to step forward and end this compete nonsensical position we are in

End all restrictions and let people decide if they want to isolate themselves
And let the hard workers get back to work to rebuild this economy the weak willed have let fall into a serious recession

Time to pick aside, Get with us or go and hide

Plumbthedepths

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What Trump-like bull****? It is a matter of fact that the longer swathes of the economy are shut down the worse the effects on the economy both in the short and long-term. I've seen Noone dispute this. The question is at what point the economic impacts, and all that entails, becomes too big an issue to continue the current measures. Donald Trump adds nothing to this discussion.

Wondering myself what Trump has got to do the discussion .Is the calling of Trump names and derogatory terms an attempt to project the same insults onto posters here by association do you think?

CtevenSrowder

TheCitizen wrote: »

Well what are you blathering about then? Irrelevant gibberish.

And btw, they're digging mass graves in New York City, how is it irrelevant what their President says and how he is sensationalising the issue just because to say so irks your Right Wing sensibilities.

Read Idbatterims post and maybe you'll understand better then.