BoatMad wrote: » Agreed , the fallout in the US will be dramatic and extreme in my view
BanditLuke wrote: » It's all well and good slagging off Trump and Americans and yes they deserve it but given the numbers of people I'm seeing out and about today on social media in parks, at beaches, along coastlines we are properly fcuked here also. We are going to also have a massive surge in a few weeks time that's going to cost us big time.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » But we're not talking about another 3 weeks. What happens after that? The alternative to vulnerable people cocooning is EVERYONE having to stay at home. How is that any better? It is doable for someone high risk to cocoon pretty well for 12-18 months. Doctors and dentists can do home visits with appropriate PPE, carers can wear appropriate PPE, perhaps when antibody tests come in, those who have had and recovered from covid can be cleared to work with high risk patients. There is literally no other way to do things.
KiKi III wrote: » So you can’t do it for another few weeks but anyone that’s not you should be able to do 18 months?
stephenjmcd wrote: » Small paragraph in the Irish times relating to Spain Spain's government set out guidelines today for people returning to work under a loosening of lockdown restrictions, while the country reported its lowest one-day increase in deaths from the coronavirus since March 23rd. Most Spaniards have been confined to their homes since mid-March with only businesses in sectors deemed strategically important allowed to operate normally. However, from Monday, some other industries such as construction and manufacturing will be allowed to restart, enabling thousands to return to work.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » It's not about me! Why do you just not get this? I've already said another few weeks is fine, but what about after that, and you keep going on like a broken record and ignoring the question. The economy cannot take everyone sitting at home for 18 months. People need to be working and paying into the healthcare system and keeping things running, or the entire country will just collapse. The people who CAN work will be helping to pay for support and healthcare for the people who can't. It's not as if risking getting covid-19 every single time you leave the house is exactly utopia, is it? Everyone will have a sh1tty time for the next year or two, but what are you proposing? Everyone has to stay inside for 18 months so it's 'fair'? Do you think there's a magic money tree somewhere?
KiKi III wrote: » I haven’t proposed that at all. That’s just you randomly putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say at all. I’m merely expressing surprise that you’re happy to cocoon a large segment of the population for 18 months given that you’ve posted *at length* about how difficult that is for people with mental health issues. What about older people with mental health issues? What about the mental health of young people with underlying health problems? You keep saying it’s not about you but it doesn’t come across like you care about the mental health of any group outside the one you happen to fall into.
lainey_d_123 wrote: » But what's the alternative to that?! It's either cocoon the people at most risk until it's safe enough for them to rejoin society, or make everyone stay at home for that length of time. It's not about whether it's 'fair' or not, it's about trying to keep as many people alive as possible while also keeping the country running as best as possible. How else do you think it's going to work? There's absolutely no logic behind anything you say, honestly.
Greentopia wrote: » i'm a P/T gardener and would love to get back. There's no reason I couldn't work the same as before because obviously I work outdoors and I can easily socially distance from anyone else. But I know the owners will err on the side of caution and say no for insurance/health and safety reasons and stay closed. There should be clear and consistent advice on this, it's frustrating. I also think there's a case for letting garden centres stay open. I have friends who have market gardens or are self sufficient in growing their own food and they need seeds. Some seed save or grow perennials but we need annuals too for food production. Some are outside the intensive agriculture/supermarket system and rely on seeds to feed themselves. You can buy a lot online of course but not everything, and they also need tools to work with. We wouldn't consider closing supermarkets because that's our food supply, and so garden centres are for these people. The only difference is they grow the food themselves. Access to seeds is a basic human right.
KiKi III wrote: » I haven’t proposed anything in my last couple of posts, all I’ve done is express surprise that you’re willing to put 25%+ of the population through cocooning for 18 months considering you’ve described it as not living at all.Do you not see the hypocrisy in condemning huge numbers of people to a fate you couldn’t stand yourself? It’s a real lack of empathy on display. “I can’t stand this for three more weeks, but Mary down the road with cancer and John who’s 72 should do it for a year and a half.” As for your usual dramatic statements like “There are literally no other options”, well, we’re seeing New Zealand, South Korea, Sweden, Spain, the US etc are all taking different approaches so the idea that there’s only one option we have to take is clearly ridic.
KiKi III wrote: » Can you just clarify what your position is on the mental health of older people? Because you’ve been such a passionate advocate for your own right to protect your mental health that I would have expected you to be able to extend some compassion to people in different age groups who are fighting the same battles?
lainey_d_123 wrote: » But what's your solution? Just because people who are high risk are going to find this horrible, everyone else should have to suffer with them?
Thespoofer wrote: » Was wondering about this type of situation, does the ordinary Joe/Mary soap see the benefits of this ( as in more money in their pocket?) or how does it work?
Phoebas wrote: » It's called society.
KiKi III wrote: » I haven’t proposed anything in my last couple of posts, all I’ve done is express surprise that you’re willing to put 25%+ of the population through cocooning for 18 months considering you’ve described it as not living at all. Do you not see the hypocrisy in condemning huge numbers of people to a fate you couldn’t stand yourself? It’s a real lack of empathy on display. “I can’t stand this for three more weeks, but Mary down the road with cancer and John who’s 72 should do it for a year and a half.” As for your usual dramatic statements like “There are literally no other options”, well, we’re seeing New Zealand, South Korea, Sweden, Spain, the US etc are all taking different approaches so the idea that there’s only one option we have to take is clearly ridic.
Idbatterim wrote: » Suffer with then destroy economy , leading to weidate cuts for pensioners and possibly emigration of their kids and / or grand kids ... great outcome !
TheCitizen wrote: » The panic merchants on here must be proud of themselves, they're talking the same crap as the ultimate gobshíte Trump.https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248701417260568576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248701417260568576&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huddleboard.net%2Fhb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1438928
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Emigrate to where exactly? Unlike past economic recessions over the last 90 years this time the whole world is in the same leaking boat.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Still obsessed with Trump I see. You should move over after this and just give in to your obsession.
